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[mastina]

mastina's scum with TW. The moment I ask her to lim a scumread, she backs off the scumread.

There is one condition in which I would vote the worst:
The LLD wagon having fallen apart and the worst wagon being comparable in size to what the LLD wagon is right now.

Because the worst could be scum, and there's a decent chance he is especially if LLD is scum.

But he is also the scumread with the highest chance overall of flipping town; I've made this known for a VERY long time, it's in literally dozens of my posts. Pretending this is a new stance from me (not wanting to flip my weakest scumread and instead wanting to flip my strongest scumread) is doing you no favors, Titus.

You're literally pretending like you haven't played with me in spite of being the player who has played with me probably the most of anyone in this playerlist.

[mastina]

mastina's scum with TW. The moment I ask her to lim a scumread, she backs off the scumread.

There is one condition in which I would vote the worst:
The LLD wagon having fallen apart and the worst wagon being comparable in size to what the LLD wagon is right now.

Okay so the second condition has come true, tw stands at six votes, but the first hasn't; LLD still has five votes and I'm not going to join the wagon on my weakest, could-very-well-be-wrong scumread while there's still the much better (even if not in size) wagon on the is-definitely-not-wrong scumread.

If DGB and/or Xtoxm leave the LLD wagon, I'll vote the worst. But as long as they're both voting LLD, I'm sticking with them.

[mastina]

(I will also say that the way Titus has handled my slot is not her town meta btw. I can explain that, but I'm not sure where to start in describing the difference between Titus as town reaching out and Titus as scum. This is the latter, not the former, and pretty blatantly so, but I do realize it's something that requires background and history to help establish.)

[OkaPoka]

im just here to hear the duck quack

[Xtoxm]

If DGB and/or Xtoxm leave the LLD wagon, I'll vote the worst. But as long as they're both voting LLD, I'm sticking with them.

i'm leaving leaving lld while you're here

[Xtoxm]

If DGB and/or Xtoxm leave the LLD wagon, I'll vote the worst. But as long as they're both voting LLD, I'm sticking with them.

i'm not leaving leaving lld while you're here

ebwop

lol thats been a while

[Xtoxm]

question from auro:
were {dgb, xtoxm, mastina} to be all revealed as town, would this say anything about lld's alignment?

[OkaPoka]

look if you want me to engage with the idea of lld scum you do need to case her

[OkaPoka]

with that being said the monty hall problem says lld's chances of scum goes up or something idk xdd

[Xtoxm]

i misread the question - its the same with {dgb, xtoxm, hercule}
i expect your response is roughly identical

[auro]

if we are all town, lld has been aggro pushing town all day, which demostrates the slot is playing to a pro-scum agenda
okay, the monty hall scenario is increases the statistics, but lld is a claimed

strong

scumhunter

so with this player having pushed exclusively town slots (excuse your suspicion on dgb for the argument) who's also
1. strong town player in a game with many strong town players
2. is known to attack universal townreads with flaws that can be capitalised on
where does it lead?

if you dismiss this with "oh, town can be wrong", observe that she has failed to fix any of her reads, and has doubled down on {herc, dgb, x} containing scum (the slot voting you is not an excuse when the slot is obvtown on its own merits)

this also raises the question of how you will ever gain an accurate read on lld. if you excuse repeated bad pushes as "can be wrong town", then you can never see the difference between scum!ldd and town!lld. you need to look at the actions, not the words.

if you concur with this, then we can instead debate whether all of {dgb, hercule, xtoxm} are town.

if you do not concur, then you will keep asserting that no case exists until she wins.

[end auro]

[OkaPoka]

ok sure lld scum stonks go up i guess but i think dgb scum

[OkaPoka]

i guess the work you have to do is show me why dgb is town and show me why lld is scum other than she has an incredible scumrange and could be doing all of this because at least on mastina's end, i feel like a lot of her arguments are: well lld scum could do x,y,z

[Xtoxm]

okay. we townread dgb. so you see our perspective.

we will towncase dgb

[OkaPoka]

is LLD a purely poe thing

[Xtoxm]

for me no, my poe is larger than i'd like.

my townreads are:

DGB
mastina
hercule
WF*
ceph
iv
a50
hopkirk

*auro disputes

[Lady Lambdadelta]

is LLD a purely poe thing

No, it's a purely bullshit thing.

Because think about the inverse argument, right? Do you think this player is going to suddenly say "ah if LLD flips town, we should kill xtoxm, dgb, mastina"?

No. They think those slots are hard town. So the argument is bad from its onset. They are arguing "if we're all town, that would make LLD scum more likely, right?"

when in truth, in a game this size, the odds that 3 townies can be wrong or misled by other factors is much higher than being presented.

Now note that they are possibly not all townies, too, but this logical conclusion they are trying to sell you is a one way conclusion and false from its very premise.

Because if you think I'm town, Oka, which I think you do, should we eliminate Mastina/Xtoxm/DGB in order on that principle?

Or based on their own play?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The only odds that increase for me to be scum if those 3 are all town is the fact that there are 3 less townies in the pool on literal odds drawing.

Not more, not less.

[OkaPoka]

we should kill dgb

[OkaPoka]

i think i managed to disappoint both parties

[OkaPoka]

@lld xtoxm argument is a bop related one

@xtoxm im just going to leave this out here again, you are going to need to eventually come around to scumcasing lld otherwise i won't even know why i would be voting lld other than im scared and that sounds like a silly idea
even if u negate every single one of my lld is town points, you still have to connect the dot to lld being scum otherwise /shrug
we live in a society

[OkaPoka]

fmpov the reasons why you guys are voting lld pls correct me if im mistaken

-she is good at scum
-townreads on her are undeserved
-she's mean
-she hasn't died yet

the third choice is so far the most convincing point anyways good night i might not be here for the next 24 hours

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@lld xtoxm argument is a bop related one

@xtoxm im just going to leave this out here again, you are going to need to eventually come around to scumcasing lld otherwise i won't even know why i would be voting lld other than im scared and that sounds like a silly idea
even if u negate every single one of my lld is town points, you still have to connect the dot to lld being scum otherwise /shrug
we live in a society

right but you shoudn't trust the reads of any of those people. Like, maybe DGB on a good day but the scumputer is either scum or has a bad malfunction so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

fmpov the reasons why you guys are voting lld pls correct me if im mistaken

-she is good at scum
-townreads on her are undeserved
-she's mean
-she hasn't died yet

the third choice is so far the most convincing point anyways good night i might not be here for the next 24 hours

I'm mean? oof, so harsh

[Dunnstral]

LLD what do you think of DGB and the worst?

[innocentvillager]

fmpov the reasons why you guys are voting lld pls correct me if im mistaken

-she is good at scum
-townreads on her are undeserved
-she's mean
-she hasn't died yet

the third choice is so far the most convincing point anyways good night i might not be here for the next 24 hours

tbh i think the 4th reason is the most convincing point for me

VOTE: LLD