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[Dunnstral]

fmpov the reasons why you guys are voting lld pls correct me if im mistaken

-she is good at scum
-townreads on her are undeserved
-she's mean
-she hasn't died yet

the third choice is so far the most convincing point anyways good night i might not be here for the next 24 hours

tbh i think the 4th reason is the most convincing point for me

VOTE: LLD

Is this satire?

[innocentvillager]

yes

[DrippingGoofball]

well my theory is dgb didn't think it could get a lld flip today (herc looked inevitable) so when it committed to the character it doesn't know how to make an exit from it you know

You have this backwards: scum have the ability to make the exit (see also LLD bailing from hercule); town are less inclined to do so.

Not to mention that herc, being the first strong wagon of the day, was bound not to come to fruition.

[DrippingGoofball]

fmpov the reasons why you guys are voting lld pls correct me if im mistaken

-she is good at scum
-townreads on her are undeserved
-she's mean
-she hasn't died yet

the third choice is so far the most convincing point anyways good night i might not be here for the next 24 hours

I am voting LLD for exactly zero of these reasons. AND YOU KNOW THAT.

This kind of disingenuous misrep is why I scumread you, as opposed to vibing in lockstep with you in the game's previous iteration.

[DrippingGoofball]

fmpov the reasons why you guys are voting lld pls correct me if im mistaken

-she is good at scum
-townreads on her are undeserved
-she's mean
-she hasn't died yet

the third choice is so far the most convincing point anyways good night i might not be here for the next 24 hours

tbh i think the 4th reason is the most convincing point for me

VOTE: LLD

Well this sure took a big chink off my scumread of you.

[DrippingGoofball]

Actually I'm going to have to townread IV based on his pissing in the wind with his vote in the past handful of pages.

[innocentvillager]

ill take pissing in the wind

and i knew you would finally come around on me! i can't keep up this kind of posting as scum

and do i feel bad that my towngame and scumgame are so polarized so it's obvious when alignment i am? ehhh i maybe a tiny bit but it's not like i throw when i roll scum and i don't really care that i suck at being a manipulative liar so meh

just know that my LLD vote is s u b j e c t t o c h a n g e

[innocentvillager]

now if only i could divine your alignment dgb

tbf tho, my vote back on LLD is town!indicative for me now but wasn't before? why is that, i parked on LLD for a while before and honestly i don't have strong conviction lld is scum and could definitely change it if someone convincingly yells at me to

[DrippingGoofball]

now if only i could divine your alignment dgb

I'm solid town. Rest easy.

[DrippingGoofball]

tbf tho, my vote back on LLD is town!indicative for me now but wasn't before?

It's more the context that you voted me, then Dunnstral (also a scumread of mine), then back to LLD "satirically" than the LLD vote

per se

. Though it is a quality vote.

[DrippingGoofball]

I gave

the worst

a chance to prove himself upon returning from his VLA. So far, he's been underwhelming and his townlight glows ever so dim.

[DrippingGoofball]

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Xtoxm
Dannflor
Winter Flakes
Hopkirk
AGar
jjh927 - low activity, low quality post by did drop a towntell
Titus - VLA, but I like what I see thus far
hercule - was going to say null until I caught a towntell

NULL

mastina - I have been enjoying her posts on a personal and intellectual level, I have seen nothing I would consider remotely scummy but she's not someone who can be read on Day 1.
Almost50 - he is so giddy I read his post with a helium balloon voice, I don't know if that's AI.
Ythan - low activity, nothing alarming, keep an eye on.
Cephrir - was going to be in my town list but I saw a few things that pinged.
innocentvillager - still demotivated, but healthy vote micturition.

SCUM

Dunnstral

- his xtoxm scumread feels like he's scum sensing a weak target and picking at him. a lot of going back and forth and fencesitting.

OkaPoka

- his OMGUS hasn't done much for me to rescind my scum read.

the worst

- VLA, waiting for more info

Lady Lambdadelta

- aggressively discrediting players, manipulative ego post, feeble xtomx vote.

[Luca Blight]

I've just blasted through 40 pages. That'll do for Today.

It seems a pretty cagey game. Goofball is my biggest TR atm. Hopkirk and Poka seemed Townie early on. I TL Dannflor and Mastina.

Biggest SR at this stage is probably IV, based on gut mostly. I'll try to finish catching-up Tomorrow.

[DrippingGoofball]

I forgot to update the worst to "prognosis is bleak"

[DrippingGoofball]

Let's make it official, also I seem to have forgotten Luca was in the game...

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Xtoxm
Dannflor
Winter Flakes
Hopkirk
Luca Blight
AGar
jjh927 - low activity, low quality post by did drop a towntell
Titus - VLA, but I like what I see thus far
hercule - was going to say null until I caught a towntell

NULL

mastina - I have been enjoying her posts on a personal and intellectual level, I have seen nothing I would consider remotely scummy but she's not someone who can be read on Day 1.
Almost50 - he is so giddy I read his post with a helium balloon voice, I don't know if that's AI.
Ythan - low activity, nothing alarming, keep an eye on.
Cephrir - was going to be in my town list but I saw a few things that pinged.
innocentvillager - still demotivated, but healthy vote micturition.

SCUM

Dunnstral

- his xtoxm scumread feels like he's scum sensing a weak target and picking at him. a lot of going back and forth and fencesitting.

OkaPoka

- his OMGUS hasn't done much for me to rescind my scum read.

the worst

- Bleak prognosis, confused mental state.

Lady Lambdadelta

- aggressively discrediting players, manipulative ego post, feeble xtomx vote.[/quote]

[Luca Blight]

I replaced hercule

[innocentvillager]

Biggest SR at this stage is probably IV, based on gut mostly.

hello i miss your predecessor already

[innocentvillager]

innocentvillager - still demotivated, but healthy vote micturition.

im not really demotivated but i think i see why you think that

ive kind of come to peace with the idea that my d1 reads are just ass, especially in a big game

in LN 230 i had loltownbinned ABR, Gamma, and Taylor to a lesser extent on D1 (tbf my higher tier townreads were all correct) but i don't have any higher tier townreads except mastina this game (who like, honestly, i could totally be wrong on? lol)

and yeah last game i had 1 scum in each of my 4 tiers so might as well have flipped a coin for reads

im kind of just chilling and vibing with the thread and seeing which way the wind blows so i can piss there, y'know

[DrippingGoofball]

I replaced hercule

I missed that! I stuffed you in my town reads because I didn't recall you being in my scum reads

[DrippingGoofball]

im not really demotivated but i think i see why you think that

I get it. I'm

more

motivated because in hindsight my reads had been pretty good.

I can make peace with that.

[Cephrir]

feeble xtomx vote

This is kinda valid

[Dannflor]

if we are all town, lld has been aggro pushing town all day, which demostrates the slot is playing to a pro-scum agenda
okay, the monty hall scenario is increases the statistics, but lld is a claimed strong scumhunter

so with this player having pushed exclusively town slots (excuse your suspicion on dgb for the argument) who's also
1. strong town player in a game with many strong town players
2. is known to attack universal townreads with flaws that can be capitalised on
where does it lead?

if you dismiss this with "oh, town can be wrong", observe that she has failed to fix any of her reads, and has doubled down on {herc, dgb, x} containing scum (the slot voting you is not an excuse when the slot is obvtown on its own merits)

this also raises the question of how you will ever gain an accurate read on lld. if you excuse repeated bad pushes as "can be wrong town", then you can never see the difference between scum!ldd and town!lld. you need to look at the actions, not the words.

if you concur with this, then we can instead debate whether all of {dgb, hercule, xtoxm} are town.

if you do not concur, then you will keep asserting that no case exists until she wins.

I need you to explain why the bad pushes are bad pushes from LLD. It's not nearly as self evident to me. This whole argument that "a strong town player is pushing my town reads all game" applies exactly to mastina fmpov. I don't actually think she's scum because that would be a ridiculous reason to think someone is scum. Especially in a game where all three of the players she is pushing are making posts like the above.

Like, the fact that LLD has OMGUS'd onto you guys is completely understandable given your apparent refusal to explain why her play is bad beyond "we disagree and I'm right." I'm not used to you (mostly Auro) posting cases that are so... not logical?

the only player in [dgb, hercule, xtoxm] that is even close to obv town is your slot, and even then I don't blame LLD seeing pushes against her like this and assuming there's probably scum in that grouping. I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption.

[Dannflor]

feeble xtomx vote

This is kinda valid

actually yeah

this is the best argument against LLD so far

the vote is terrible even if I can kinda twist my head and understand it

[AGar]

WF*

Can you expound on what you're seeing here? Not lining up with this one.

fmpov the reasons why you guys are voting lld pls correct me if im mistaken

-she is good at scum
-townreads on her are undeserved
-she's mean
-she hasn't died yet

the third choice is so far the most convincing point anyways good night i might not be here for the next 24 hours

tbh i think the 4th reason is the most convincing point for me

VOTE: LLD

I'm sorry hwat.

This is a desperation argument btw.

Scum don't want the LLD flip to slip through their fingers, because when I flip green it's not really gonna be Xtom people look at it'll be hercule, dgb, mastina, IV.

VOTE: Xtoxm

Scum don't want a green LLD flip to compromise them? Hahaha I've been begging every player individually, everyone of them would have been shielded by claiming to do to make me happy.

This... was not the point LLD made?

@DGB

Please address?

[Xtoxm]

I need you to explain why the bad pushes are bad pushes from LLD.

its a hypothetical dann. if all three are revealed as town, then the pushes are confirmed to be on town and were by definition bad pushes. exchange the word bad for incorrect if it makes things clearer.
it sounds like your answer is no regardless.

(the obvtown comment was in reference to the vote on me...auro feels ive been obvtown)

Can you expound on what you're seeing here? Not lining up with this one.

this ones getting a little stale, but im low on townreads so im hanging onto what i felt earlier.
i liked 686 a decent amount, where he talks about voting duck for the first time ever. tw is ~scary player~ for scum to play against and placing your first ever vote on him having rolled scum in TM is probably not it.
there are some other thoughtful posts ive liked, such as 966.
basically, there's a few things ive liked, and nothing that ive disliked.