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[Maduisha]

also letting the wagon sit at e-1 was not in his power, as he wasn't voting on it

Yet he's being accused of derrailing now...? Definitely on his power but only when it fits the narrative, lol.

This is still bugging me because there was nothing changing the situation from when "letting the wagon sit at e-1 was not in his power" and the moment he switched ideas and was called out for derrailing my wagon (and then "it was in his power"?). I don't understand the logic behind the reasoning and I feel Samantha felt trapped because she wants to link me to Max somehow, but she has yet to reconcile with the idea that the doctor is the one doing the things she's accusing him of...? Why would scum!Max pray to the clouds that someone doesn't hammer, and then decide to do something about it a whole day later?

Also, Clidd can come back in a couple of hours because his schedule is a mystery, but it's late in the night in Spain. I want to go to sleep but at the same time the deadline is at 4 am...

[samantha97]

are you forgetting umlaut said he was derailing?

[Maduisha]

are you forgetting umlaut said he was derailing?

No, I'm saying you agreed with him when he said that. Unless my memory is garbage fromt he tiredness...

[Maduisha]

Uh... but it makes no sense for Maxwell to both claim doctor and try to bus when he's already suspected for the claim...

Spending the whole day saying you suspect a buddy when they are absolutely not anywhere near the chopping block, and then suddenly flipping that read around once it turns out they might actually get chopped, is not really busing though.

yeah I gaslit myself at the top of the page when I said I was wrong, because that only applied if you successfully got lynched

Did I assume wrong because I read them together...?

[samantha97]

I didn't agree with him there (didn't comment on it) but I had already said he was trying to shift it away from you before that, the point was just that it wasn't me fabricating something

and if you resigned yourself to senselessly being a poe elimination, why are you bothered with the deadline? you already have your vote there

[Maduisha]

If Max is scum with me, he let his wincondition hang from a thin thread for 24h in which anyone could've cut the thread randomly...

I just don't know in which planet it makes any sense, really...

PEdit: Both Clidd and Max asked me not to self vote, so I unvoted a while ago.

[samantha97]

oh i c

what do you think about maxwell independent of you?

[maxwell]

Uh... but it makes no sense for Maxwell to both claim doctor and try to bus when he's already suspected for the claim...

Spending the whole day saying you suspect a buddy when they are absolutely not anywhere near the chopping block, and then suddenly flipping that read around once it turns out they might actually get chopped, is not really busing though.

This really drastically misrepresents my play and the extent to which I have tried to influence the vote, by the way. I wasn't just "saying" I suspected her, I repeatedly made arguments for why I thought she was scum. I have no idea why Umlaut's acting like I was passive toward this situation.

[Maduisha]

Current votes are uh...

Clidd + Umlaut + you on me.

And Max on you.

And everyone else not votinh.

PEdit: I talked about him a while ago... he cannot be scum because his vote was on Cabd while pushing for me all day, and it made no sense as chain elimination from scum point of view. Assuming Cabd is town, that is. When Cabd flipped green, Max would look bad for leading a green flip that was

also

the town cop (the only person that can check on his doctor claim), and his other miselimination would be unlikely to succeed. So, his position can only come from town that is genuinely scumreading Cabd (whom I assume is town for reasons I explained a lot before already).

And I don't think they're scum together because then I'll have a wrestle match with Sirius about role distribution, and we all know who wins there.

[Cabd]

I should mention that a LOT of play has been suboptimal from enough slots here that it can't all be from scum.

Obviously, given my play was suboptimal, that's the case, but from an outside perspective that doesn't know my alignment, too.

That said, claiming doctor explicitly, instead of "I am a generic PR, yes, but not saying more" was kind of sadmaking if town.

[clidd]

Alright.

I'm still comfortable with the wagon on Maduisha after another reread.

In the balance of Maduisha against Sam, in my mind, Maduisha is the PoE side that I consider most likely to be scum.

[clidd]

And maybe there was an error on my part in evaluating Maduisha's meta early.

After reviewing the games (scumgames):

- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I noticed that she does have the capacity to be in her scum-range here. There was no break, tbh.

[clidd]

Maybe earlier this was true, considering that I felt that she was approaching the game differently, but her current ISO content isn't out of the scum!Maduisha range of what she could say/do.

Another point is that I am not seeing proactivity on her part atm. There is a lot of complacency in explaining that Max is not a partner and that her solve can be an x, y or z player, but without a specific focus on a set of players or just a deepening of a scumread. Her current impressions are on a superficial level.

[clidd]

It does not mean that she is strongly a scumread.

But the reasons I was having for thinking she was towny basically dissipated and I think it's a healthy hypothesis to consider that she can be scum.

Alternatively, she can be town, but her actual involvement in the resolutive sense is reflecting me as potentially scummy.

[Maduisha]

I'll actually just go to sleep, I'm E-1 and there are enough people with the hammer in hand to ensure there's never a no-lim, and I don't think I can explain myself better if my reasoning was misunderstood before today.

VOTE: Samantha

Good night.

[Cabd]

Fine.

VOTE: Madi

Blagh

Hate this.

Deadline laughs.

Madi you can tell us now.

[clidd]

Good night guys.

Don't forget to follow the plan according to what Umlaut specified.

[samantha97]

Sam, Fuzzy and Cabd know what to do tonight.

instructions unclear

who am I targeting again

[Cabd]

Oh also, out of game, but got my vaccine appointment!

[Cabd]

Sam, Fuzzy and Cabd know what to do tonight.

instructions unclear

who am I targeting again

Baron bunny.

[clidd]

I mean Max, Fuzzy and Cabd.

Your name was in my mind for some reason.

[maxwell]

I'm not protecting scum tonight, have fun guessing

[maxwell]

Sorry if you're town maduisha. (Which I'm assuming, based on Cabd's very scummy "ahh deadline" hammer 3 hours out from the actual deadline). I went overboard.

[clidd]

Protect me then, no problem.

[maxwell]

Want to note again, even though this is going to completely get passed over by the people reading it, as usual, that cabd did effectively no scumhunting at all leading up to this deadline.