Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Datisi]

I mean, if I knew my exact thought process behind this thought I would've explained it lol.

i feel like every once in a while paranoia starts creeping up on me about scipio

and then he goes ahead and drops a line like this and i'm like !!!
i feel like i felt this so many times as town
how does one not townread him for it

Can you share a post that makes paranoia about scipio creep up on you?

i don't remember, i think it was more of a general feeling than any specific posts

scrolling through his iso again, 665 was a weird/easy callout, and his posts often don't feel like they're actually doing anything (e.g. there's a wolf in that group post, or asking you to explain your read on me)

but the way he admitted he doesn't actually know his own thought process is still net town i think

maybe i should check his meta to see if he's able to do that / does that as scum
but i don't feel like it right now

[Datisi]

the vote is from both of us, incidentally

-QB

extremely looking forward to this.

[Isis]

I appreciate skitter giving me the time of day too much to stay mad at her oye

[Isis]

hm?

You're townreading Iconeum right?

[Datisi]

sure am.

[Bridgeburners]

dats i feel like i don't have such a good read on u and i kinda want to sort u

i agree with u that implo is being somewhat scummy. except i'm like historically dead-awful at reading him and i think he was scum in nearly every game i played with him and i always townread him so maybe thinking he's scummy means he's town? idk

~

isis i didn't realize you had such a ~thing~ against hydras and i'm going to endeavor to make a distinct effort to minimize the dissonance. wasn't trying to be annoying, and want to try to not be
<3

~ skitter

[Isis]

because i feel like town!you should know better?? that me not being magically townie in a game is not automatically an indicator that i'm not town? especially considering the last time that same discussion was being held was in a game that you were modding?? *and* considering the fact that you did misread me before??

also i still disagree keiji was scummy

I don't know better. I think in the game I modded people were correct to think you were more likely scum. Mafia isn't a game of absolutes and if you apply logic that means someone is more like scum but they flip town, that doesn't disproved you, you weren't working with logic that guarantees someone is scum.

In Why Gun I think I did not interpret your posts well. I also didn't interpret keiji's posts well but in that case it was from like keijji not playing the game that well I want to clutch to some sort of proficiency in spite of my actual awful record that game.

[Datisi]

dats i feel like i don't have such a good read on u and i kinda want to sort u

ok
what is it that you want / need from me here
and also why do you think naked voting is like, gonna help you here

(i am also specifically still interested in mena's reasons for that vote)

[Infinity 324]

Isis I'm lazy

Link me to a game where datisi had this much convinction/appeared to believe the things he's saying as scum

Or if not that's why I TR datisi

[Datisi]

how sure are you actually that i have a red role pm in this game, isis? and also, are you willing to sheep me on ico? (if so, why?)

[Datisi]

Link me to a game where datisi had this much convinction/appeared to believe the things he's saying as scum

i'm not sure if this is that good of a reason to townread me, i've successfully faked tunnels and stuff like that before.

though obviously there's still a difference between scum and town games, so shrug.

[Isis]

Isis I'm lazy

Link me to a game where datisi had this much convinction/appeared to believe the things he's saying as scum

Or if not that's why I TR datisi

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12009931

[Bridgeburners]

dats i feel like i don't have such a good read on u and i kinda want to sort u

ok
what is it that you want / need from me here
and also why do you think naked voting is like, gonna help you here

(i am also specifically still interested in mena's reasons for that vote)

i don't know!!!! i feel like having some sort of dialogue with you would help, and was kinda hoping that by voting you you'd go: 'omg skitter why are you voting me' and then we could have a nice convo about idk something that would give me more to sort you with than i currently have

i feel like a lot of what you're doing is just kinda NAI? Or at least i don't see the obvtowniness that everyone is citing and like i feel like a lot of what you're doing can be said/posted by scum-you?

do you think you ought to be townread here as much as you have been?

i'm also not really sure i follow your 'evil vibes from isis wagon' -> aaron vote -> isis vote

or why you were scumreading aaron in the first place

~ skitter

[Isis]

how sure are you actually that i have a red role pm in this game, isis? and also, are you willing to sheep me on ico? (if so, why?)

I'm not super sure. I'm willing to sheep your ico read for this dayphase or longer if you're serious about it.

I've been trying to expand the extent to which I treat players I see as decently competent as though they are experts, recently, for reasons. It's kind of experimental.

[Isis]

Pls people keep posting I am stuck at the oil change places they are taking forever to just replace the headlight bulbs in my car so I don't get pulled over again.
My games are on my other phone im so bored.

Pls help.

[Isis]

Please the lobby is playing reality tv it's killing me

[Datisi]

dats i feel like i don't have such a good read on u and i kinda want to sort u

ok
what is it that you want / need from me here
and also why do you think naked voting is like, gonna help you here

(i am also specifically still interested in mena's reasons for that vote)

i don't know!!!! i feel like having some sort of dialogue with you would help, and was kinda hoping that by voting you you'd go: 'omg skitter why are you voting me' and then we could have a nice convo about idk something that would give me more to sort you with than i currently have

i feel like a lot of what you're doing is just kinda NAI? Or at least i don't see the obvtowniness that everyone is citing and like i feel like a lot of what you're doing can be said/posted by scum-you?

do you think you ought to be townread here as much as you have been?

i'm also not really sure i follow your 'evil vibes from isis wagon' -> aaron vote -> isis vote

or why you were scumreading aaron in the first place

~ skitter

ok ok ok fair enough
after you voted me i had like, a Vision that this is scum!you trying to make me react similarly to how i did in 1992
but that's too tinfoily right now

i don't think i have good self-meta to offer here
i don't think i've hit the Datisi Obvtown Levels™ yet
i don't think i've broken my scumrange so far (at least not the recent one) but also idk how scum!me would be playing here bc idk who'd my partners be or whatever so can't quite tell

yes and no. like this isn't the peak of my towngame, but a lot of people here don't have that much (or any) meta on me and don't know that. based on that, this ~collective read on me~ is kinda what i'd expect.

ok. evil vibes because i didn't think at the time isis was acting like experienced scum that's facing pressure (wasn't pushing anyone else, was kinda passively still calling people [possible targets] town). so i'm looking around her wagon, and i disliked aaron's vote on her the most, it seemed like he's voting there without much thought or conviction, after some weird shading-but-not-really.

i thought he might be scum bc of posts that i linked before (e.g. 444, 446, 459) which seemed like pretending to be helpful but not actually Doing Anything. (i guess what the kids call iioa.) also i got pinged by aaron early game too for something but i don't really remember what anymore, can go back to check if it's important

like idk if i can explain it better, i explained it earlier and you said you didn't like it

(though i do think his recent posting is Better)

isis vote bc the reasons because of which i thought her wagon was bad (i.e. her not acting how i'd expect pressured scum to act) were not there anymore, she switched to voting aaron for ??? reasons, then her scumread on me which looked plain bad faith to me - like nitpicking that one post bc i asked multiple things at once, and the "i saw datisi once when was town, he was super townie, he's not here so prob scum" when that was literally false

though if she really forgot about why gun (which for some unknown reason to me i kinda sorta maybe buy at this moment) then asfhfjklfnkl game hard

[Datisi]

how sure are you actually that i have a red role pm in this game, isis? and also, are you willing to sheep me on ico? (if so, why?)

I'm not super sure. I'm willing to sheep your ico read for this dayphase or longer if you're serious about it.

I've been trying to expand the extent to which I treat players I see as decently competent as though they are experts, recently, for reasons. It's kind of experimental.

i'm serious about it yeah
nothing ico has done is making me go ?!?! which i'm taking to be a good sign

also omg isis thinks i'm decently competent?

[Isis]

Datisi called me a kid and now we are going to fistfight

[Infinity 324]

Isis I'm lazy

Link me to a game where datisi had this much convinction/appeared to believe the things he's saying as scum

Or if not that's why I TR datisi

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12009931

Even the post you linked me to is kind of an overreaction to someone thinking datisi is scum

I can feel the "ahh someone might be SRing me" from datisi there

He also makes posts like this one: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12008729 which he doesn't do here

I can a lot more easily buy that the convinction is real convinction here than there

I hope I'm making sense

[Isis]

That was a towngame I'm trolling you

[Datisi]

lol i was wondering how long that was gonna go on for

[Infinity 324]

ISIS NOW I LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT

[implosion]

I don't really see any thought process that I don't think can be manufactured in Isis's posting. This is probably the most interesting post

idk how to explain it to you
If I can't point to a post implosion has made by the end of day 1 and say it's a townpost, implosion probably has a role PM. If I can't point to a post Datisi has made by the end of day 1 and say it's a townpost, he's probably scum.

Datisi probably has like, 2-3 townish posts I that didn't meet threshhold for specific remarks, PP has done the same, and by the curve I grade on PP is more likely to be actually town this game than Datisi.

I play all my games like this. The extent to which I acknowledge it varies. I would think everyone plays their games this way although maybe other people wait for an actual scumgame and do this storytelling paranoid "but for this person, what if this is like that time they seemed townie but for scum?" (my approach is a bit more flawed if it were applied to someone I have not seen actually roll scum, but I have been scum -with- Datisi once and felt like he made good posts)

but like, this seems like just a way Isis approaches games. I don't think it's an especially hard post for scum-her to make.

I 100% agree I could post this as town, jester, mafia, cult leader, or werewolf.
So like, what are you trying to accomplish with this post? How is this simultaneously my "most interesting post" and, not, it is clearly not, it is very obviously not.

I’m saying I don’t really see what Aaron finds town about your recent posting. Honestly I didn’t actually check if that was one of the posts he mentioned and I’m not going to right now bc I’m on mobile.

[implosion]

dats i feel like i don't have such a good read on u and i kinda want to sort u

ok
what is it that you want / need from me here
and also why do you think naked voting is like, gonna help you here

(i am also specifically still interested in mena's reasons for that vote)

i don't know!!!! i feel like having some sort of dialogue with you would help, and was kinda hoping that by voting you you'd go: 'omg skitter why are you voting me' and then we could have a nice convo about idk something that would give me more to sort you with than i currently have

i feel like a lot of what you're doing is just kinda NAI? Or at least i don't see the obvtowniness that everyone is citing and like i feel like a lot of what you're doing can be said/posted by scum-you?

do you think you ought to be townread here as much as you have been?

i'm also not really sure i follow your 'evil vibes from isis wagon' -> aaron vote -> isis vote

or why you were scumreading aaron in the first place

~ skitter

This is the first post this game that’s made me say “ oh yeah, that’s what skitters town game looks like”.

Is there a reason that took so long? I know you’re also good as scum so I don’t really know what to make of it.