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[Titus]

i've reconvinced myself that the scum are just not doing anything as we yeet our strongest asset for no reason but i need her to come prove that opinion right by having some good takes and caring about the game

We're mindmelding.

[jjh927]

I wonder who in this game as scum would actually consider a town!LLD elim to be so great an achievement?

[Cephrir]

well, me, for one, but you know. *gestures at my iso*

[jjh927]

LLD's primary contribution to the game was the hercule wagon; unless hercule is scum, in which case I'd say it's fairly clear scum would not have been sitting back to this based on the current outcome, a towny who loudly tunnels on another towny, and who talks about getting BOPed on that, is not likely to be a significant threat to scum in this game. This is team mafia; we have no shortage of high tier players, players with egos, players with reputations, or any combination of these you feel like.

[OkaPoka]

LLD can be the master of her own fate

[DrippingGoofball]

i've reconvinced myself that the scum are just not doing anything as we yeet our strongest asset for no reason

Our "strongest asset" who went after

hercule

and is currently voting

Xtomx

?

That asset?

[jjh927]

I don't really get why people focus on reputation so much for this kind of thing tbh

[Cephrir]

i've reconvinced myself that the scum are just not doing anything as we yeet our strongest asset for no reason

Our "strongest asset" who went after

hercule

and is currently voting

Xtomx

?

That asset?

those players aren't flipped yet and nobody's perfect.

[innocentvillager]

I don't really get why people focus on reputation so much for this kind of thing tbh

thank you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm honestly kind of checked out of this game, so I'll try and get back into it but

It's really not been fun trying to argue against people whose best argument is "I'm right" and have no substantiation or ability to back it up.

So... yeah

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That said I think Oka might be scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

show me why lld is scum other than she has an incredible scumrange and could be doing all of this because at least on mastina's end, i feel like a lot of her arguments are: well lld scum could do x,y,z

My argument isn't that LLD could do this as scum--it's that town-LLD wouldn't be doing what she's done and that scum-LLD would.

is LLD a purely poe thing

LLD is a combination of PoE, Burden of Proficiency on her (which she herself said to use!), ~wagonomics~, and this being her scumgame.

They are arguing "if we're all town, that would make LLD scum more likely, right?" when in truth, in a game this size, the odds that 3 townies can be wrong or misled by other factors is much higher than being presented.

There's a problem with that:

Look, you want to kill me? Burden of Proficiency me. Give me one day to decide who dies, and if they flip town, kill me.

Honestly I',m okay with being burden of proficiencied this game

I mean ltierally let me generate some reads, make a call on who is scum and if my scumreads keep flipping town, oopsies, fucking kill me.

You yourself said to burden of proficiency you.

So if your biggest pushes, on hercule and now Xtoxm, are on town, then by your own statement of being burden of proficiency'd...we're burden of proficiencying you.

So why are you trying to shift the argument into being "LLD's chances of being scum go up with three townies flipping just due to there being less townies", when you yourself said to BoP you on the townies you push flipping town?

Okay, actually Mastina might be scum too.

I have been assuming Mastina is just being bad, but....

She's arguing at a player who isn't there and saying, and I quote

That I said to BoP me... and she is doing that by killing me before anything flips.

Mastina is not so stupid she doesn't know that's fucking ass backwards.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

she's also not so stupid as to say that if Xtoxm, DGB and her all flip town, 2 of those who I called town for a lot of this game and refused to wagon (DGB, Mastina)

that THAT is somehow burden of proficency.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually yeah, fuck this shit, Mastina's scum. She's finally reached across the line from bad points that are nonsensical but I can believe she believes are true to bad points that are nonsensical and I do not think she can reasonably believe.

Vote: Mastina

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I want people who are townreading Mastina and townreading me to go look at Mastina's posts on me.

And see whether you think she is saying things she could reasonably believe. She's not. There's just no way she makes posts that are this detatched from reality on a basic factual level.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD's primary contribution to the game was the hercule wagon; unless hercule is scum, in which case I'd say it's fairly clear scum would not have been sitting back to this based on the current outcome, a towny who loudly tunnels on another towny, and who talks about getting BOPed on that, is not likely to be a significant threat to scum in this game. This is team mafia; we have no shortage of high tier players, players with egos, players with reputations, or any combination of these you feel like.

My biggest contribution was a wagon that I myself killed by stopping pushing it because I became less certain it would hit scum.

I could have rammed it to death and it probably would have died if I kept going, but I hesitated and stopped. Why do you think that is?

We got a lot of decent information from how people placed their votes around that wagon. It'll be good later in the game to look at.

I was doing my job to create information and reads this game until I lost all passion for arguing with lunatics who think I'm scum because I'm scum so I must be scum.

What have you done this game? Sit your vote on a player who had 2 votes for 3/4ths fo the game, say nothign and complain people weren't following you.

Get off your high horse, you jerk.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like incase it isn't increasingly obvious, I don't really want to deal with another 100 pages of Mastina walls and having to respond to them all, so here's the thing.

If someone wants to talk to me about their scum reads and shit, I'll do that.

If someoen wants tot alk to me about the way Mastina has been playing and their read on her, I'll do that.

And if people want me to agree to die if Mastina is town, I'll do that.

Hell, if we can get 10 people in this game who will agree to kill mastina after I'm dead if I flip town, I'll do that too.

I'm down for any outcome that results in both Mastina and I dead, though obviously I prefer the one where we kill her and she flips scum and I get shot by scum tonight.

That's my favourite of those "we both die" outcomes.

So, please, anyone who wants to talk about those outcomes and work with me to achieve them, I'm in. Give me anything to do except respond to the senseless Mastina wall posts that will be coming soon.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyway that's my everything for today I'm gonna go watch the super bowl.

I will try and check in daily.

[Luca Blight]

I’m up to page 61. I’ll try and finish my catch-up today.

[Cephrir]

If someone wants to talk to me about their scum reads and shit, I'll do that.

in recognition of the fact that you may not be around tomorrow one way or another, i'd be interested in your thoughts on some of the lower content slots like agar, the worst, ythan, titus. i currently feel there's probably multiple scum in that group, but if you're seeing some legit towniness there and you flip town that's something that i'd legitimately still care about tomorrow. if you're scum i don't plan to mine your response for associatives i'll be a lot more interested in how others acted around you & your wagon than what you posted in that case tbh.

i'd also be interested in what you think of dgb. i'm guessing it won't be that it's scum with mastina, since that seems hella brazen. but that's asking for a bit more work, so like, whatever you wanna get into, i'm listening. i get that this game probably isn't very fun for you either way.

[Cephrir]

i'd really prefer to just delete a lurker today but it doesn't seem like that's an option.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: ythan
VOTE: dgb
VOTE: titus

Maybe. How is Ythan different from last game/ will they ever be readable?
Why do so many people townread dgb?

ythan cared about something last game

You're right

Ythan, do you have reads?

[Dunnstral]

Agar, I'm not seeing what you're seeing in hopkirk

I don't feel it's all that opaque but I'll properly case it out.

It's more that I don't agree with what you've been quoting so far

For what it's worth I have hopkirk at around null.

[Dunnstral]

I’m up to page 61. I’ll try and finish my catch-up today.

I'm not sure what we needed from you was to read the

entire

game but it's commendable

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LLD I haven't been agreeing with your reads recently

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I’m up to page 61. I’ll try and finish my catch-up today.

I'm not sure what we needed from you was to read the

entire

game but it's commendable

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LLD I haven't been agreeing with your reads recently

Then explain why I'm wrong and I'll shift, but you've yet to really do that.

Or I'm disconnected and haven't seen it, in which case quote you doing that for me.