Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[quiet]

(Or when you are scum, but I just can’t do it I can’t not when you are the one raising the strangeness of floo’s scum play and team dynamic. Like, it’s a halfway good argument for why you might be scum here, and you are giving it to try and sort floo partners for tmmrw. I read that as towny, and just bad play as scum here as you just want me to click my vote button and lose the game without changing my mind)

[flow trap]

The fairy kill incentive happens so much more when flow trap is scum.

I never NK people who outright suspect me

[flow trap]

Idk I feel like a Spartan/floo team could have targeted Flow Trap for a miselim today after killing you.
That seems like the best play. The game was set up for that. Get one of fairy, you, or me to vote them. It’s plausible.

Well, I threw a wrench in that plan by turning it up a notch

[Spartan117]

Are you sold on prism town?
In a world where it's {quiet, spartan, flow trap}, how are you feeling?

I almost never locktown, but I'm still 90% sure it's floo over prism atm

I'm definitely leaning Spartan who is a SR over you who is a NR

correct me if i have misunderstood this, but why do you have a null read on quiet? is that just a null read as appose to me or a null read in general?

[flow trap]

Are you sold on prism town?
In a world where it's {quiet, spartan, flow trap}, how are you feeling?

I almost never locktown, but I'm still 90% sure it's floo over prism atm

I'm definitely leaning Spartan who is a SR over you who is a NR

correct me if i have misunderstood this, but why do you have a null read on quiet? is that just a null read as appose to me or a null read in general?

Latter

I still haven't forgotten what Prism asked you

[Spartan117]

While I'm thinking about it, Spartan, you're experienced enough to meta. Review my scumgames. Pull a towngame that isn't Mini Normal 2181 where I hated the table. Extremely stark difference.

It's Elo, you can spare the hour.

Spartan, do this

Spartan, I haven't forgotten this

At this point in the game and with the position of everyones reads on prism, i dont feel there is any need to spend a long time going through other games looking at meta, the time i spend on here i feel would be more productive looking at yourself and quiet for some WhatIf analysis.

[Spartan117]

Are you sold on prism town?
In a world where it's {quiet, spartan, flow trap}, how are you feeling?

I almost never locktown, but I'm still 90% sure it's floo over prism atm

I'm definitely leaning Spartan who is a SR over you who is a NR

correct me if i have misunderstood this, but why do you have a null read on quiet? is that just a null read as appose to me or a null read in general?

Latter

I still haven't forgotten what Prism asked you

Please see above, im not avoiding doing it, im just choosing not to do it.

[Spartan117]

Idk I feel like a Spartan/floo team could have targeted Flow Trap for a miselim today after killing you.
That seems like the best play. The game was set up for that. Get one of fairy, you, or me to vote them. It’s plausible.

Well, I threw a wrench in that plan by turning it up a notch

You seem very confident about that, why is that so?

[Prism]

I agree, here's a better one imo

For Spartan, you're saying now that you can see and quiet as town now, even over floo. I've said a lot about why I think this is the case and quiet has gone in some depth too.

Can you explain what's made you lean back the other way towards townreading me? I ask because I've said that I've done the same thing w/r/t quality of analysis and such, but that's different than you working through it. Have you reread my posts at all-what did you think?

On a smaller note, can you elaborate on the two teams you're eliminating with me/flow trap and floo/quiet? I don't think you're wrong, but I'm really curious as to why me/flow trap isn't viable to you while me/quiet is.

[flow trap]

Are you sold on prism town?
In a world where it's {quiet, spartan, flow trap}, how are you feeling?

I almost never locktown, but I'm still 90% sure it's floo over prism atm

I'm definitely leaning Spartan who is a SR over you who is a NR

correct me if i have misunderstood this, but why do you have a null read on quiet? is that just a null read as appose to me or a null read in general?

Latter

I still haven't forgotten what Prism asked you

Please see above, im not avoiding doing it, im just choosing not to do it.

Oh, so I can SR you for it then

[quiet]

@flow trap frankly the game is almost certainly over if Prism is town here, as unless you were lyin, I don't think you find a vote on Prism, and I know that I almost certainly do not find one. I don't hate spartan not answering the question.

But @spartan, understanding your progression at this point is pretty essential. Kinda in addition to what Prism just asked, I would also love to know like, besides the unease that our chaos god inspires, if there are some specific thing you can point to in my play or in flow traps play that make you feel strongly one way or the other that we can talk over a bit now.

Like if we don't just flat out lose the game today, it's going to be you, me, and flow trap tmmrw, and frankly, I prefer the world where we have Prism in the house to give comments vs. waiting till tmmrw to sort this out. Because if Prism is scum here, we pretty much already lost.

[quiet]

@flow trap frankly the game is almost certainly over if Prism is town here, as unless you were lyin, I don't think you find a vote on Prism, and I know that I almost certainly do not find one. I don't hate spartan not answering the question.

But @spartan, understanding your progression at this point is pretty essential. Kinda in addition to what Prism just asked, I would also love to know like, besides the unease that our chaos god inspires, if there are some specific thing you can point to in my play or in flow traps play that make you feel strongly one way or the other that we can talk over a bit now.

Like if we don't just flat out lose the game today, it's going to be you, me, and flow trap tmmrw, and frankly, I prefer the world where we have Prism in the house to give comments vs. waiting till tmmrw to sort this out. Because if Prism is scum here, we pretty much already lost.

[Spartan117]

For Spartan, you're saying now that you can see and quiet as town now, even over floo. I've said a lot about why I think this is the case and quiet has gone in some depth too.

Can you explain what's made you lean back the other way towards townreading me? I ask because I've said that I've done the same thing w/r/t quality of analysis and such, but that's different than you working through it. Have you reread my posts at all-what did you think?

On a smaller note, can you elaborate on the two teams you're eliminating with me/flow trap and floo/quiet? I don't think you're wrong, but I'm really curious as to why me/flow trap isn't viable to you while me/quiet is.

My town read on floo was not based off any read on you or quiet and im not sure as to why you keep insinuating that, saying that its somehow unfair that i townread him but didnt you because you both did similar things doesnt make everything the same, in my eyes at the time you did and didnt do things that lead me to read you the way i did, and he did and didnt do things which lead me to read him the way i did, also like i have explained my expression on my high town read on him had other aims in pushing through the voting of my highest scum read as, i did town read floo from what he did and he was looking to be the day vote while my scum target was getting off scott free. while yourself and quiet were not in the hot seat of potentially being day lynched d2, so comparing my expression for my town read on him with you and quiet and in the way i expressed it doesnt correlate, additionally my reads from at that time were with the player sample we have, since then we have a much reduced player sample with the flips we have seen so my thoughts at that time of susing most people somewhat. Having strict worries about you and quiet being lamist and controlling the town with how well you both presented yourself was not my exclusive scum read it was more of if you are scum why would you be scum while i also looked at if you was town what shows that you would be town and i pushed certain slots like for example my push on quiet as i was concerned about their lack of reads and if they was just a spectator who seemed very townie but didnt actually bring a lot to the table. Clearly seeing from their D3 play that simply was not the case they have provided many reads and lots of game analysis that has dramatically changed my view of them and with you also in the same way, i like how flow trap has been d3 in comparison to their d1 and d2 performance, but with the game looking like from my pov of a flowtrap/floo scum team then it appears to me that they are trying to up their game for a final d3/4 push to close out of d4. flow trap please tell me why you are town and i am scum?

[Spartan117]

Oh, so I can SR you for it then

Go ahead buddy, im not quite sure what refusing to read someones who we have a pretty much universal read on's meta from a different game indicated scumminess in anyway, but i honestly don't think i am bothered on you scum reading me what so ever.

[flow trap]

Oh, so I can SR you for it then

Go ahead buddy, im not quite sure what refusing to read someones who we have a pretty much universal read on's meta from a different game indicated scumminess in anyway, but i honestly don't think i am bothered on you scum reading me what so ever.

How do you read Quiet

[Spartan117]

But @spartan, understanding your progression at this point is pretty essential. Kinda in addition to what Prism just asked, I would also love to know like, besides the unease that our chaos god inspires, if there are some specific thing you can point to in my play or in flow traps play that make you feel strongly one way or the other that we can talk over a bit now.

I think for me ive got a solid enough reason on you to trust you over flow trap but will be doing a read through of you again before the deadline just to skim over stuff and affirm that i am happy with my read, i will be doing more of a proper read through of flow traps content assessing their interactions with others and seeing what that presents i am aiming to have that done before the deadline, which i believe we still have another couple day if im correct?

[flow trap]

Floo, who do you think it is between Spartan, Quiet & I

[Spartan117]

The fairy kill incentive happens so much more when flow trap is scum.

D1 NK was EZ someone who i was scum reading at the time
D2 NK was fairy someone who i was town leaning at that time

What reasoning would i have for the nk on these two occasions?

[flow trap]

The fairy kill incentive happens so much more when flow trap is scum.

D1 NK was EZ someone who i was scum reading at the time
D2 NK was fairy someone who i was town leaning at that time

What reasoning would i have for the nk on these two occasions?

D1 - Some Arbitrary PR tell
D2 - Frame

[quiet]

Floo, who do you think it is between Spartan, Quiet & I

lol i love this question

[quiet]

Having strict worries about you and quiet being lamist and controlling the town with how well you both presented yourself was not my exclusive scum read it was more of if you are scum why would you be scum while i also looked at if you was town what shows that you would be town and i pushed certain slots like for example my push on quiet as i was concerned about their lack of reads and if they was just a spectator who seemed very townie but didnt actually bring a lot to the table. Clearly seeing from their D3 play that simply was not the case they have provided many reads and lots of game analysis that has dramatically changed my view of them and with you also in the same way, i like how flow trap has been d3 in comparison to their d1 and d2 performance, but with the game looking like from my pov of a flowtrap/floo scum team then it appears to me that they are trying to up their game for a final d3/4 push to close out of d4. flow trap please tell me why you are town and i am scum?

This is super dense, but I think I'm following. Just to make sure I'm following:
Your fear of LAMIST kept you from TRing Prism + me (especially me, as my tryhard reads didn't really come out till today)

Was there a particular moment where I stopped looking lamist to you today? Like, I'd like to think I've been townspewing as much as I am capable of being, but if you could point me towards a specific moment that changed your mind on my slot, I think that would help me understand your progression.

Also, Flow Trap! You've returned to your lowkey chaos god ways of giving one sentence reads and takes. Does Spartan's progression make sense/seem genuine to you here?

[quiet]

What reasoning would i have for the nk on these two occasions?

Doctor WIFOM, too, I guess; or maybe trying to get lucky on a Prism push v. me?? Frankly, Fairy NK is currently the only thing I don't like about floo!Scum

[quiet]

I think for me ive got a solid enough reason on you to trust you over flow trap but will be doing a read through of you again before the deadline just to skim over stuff and affirm that i am happy with my read, i will be doing more of a proper read through of flow traps content assessing their interactions with others and seeing what that presents i am aiming to have that done before the deadline, which i believe we still have another couple day if im correct?

We have another day or so, yep. This sounds great, and very helpful to me.

I'll be doing much the same.

[flow trap]

Also, Flow Trap! You've returned to your lowkey chaos god ways of giving one sentence reads and takes. Does Spartan's progression make sense/seem genuine to you here?

Not really

[fferyllt]

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