Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[Green Crayons]

Upon pondering murdercat's attempt at a case and briefly skimming PP's meta, I conclude he is still dead null.

who is scum?

[Green Crayons]

also i realize i may be mis-interpreting 889. who is dead null: murdercat or penguin?

[MURDERCAT]

Will catch up later, but I can finally say this.
I was in this game where town got banned for game throwing: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85633

It was heated and took literally all of my energy. I though it would end before this game started, but it turns out scum didn't know I was their traitor and they kept trying to elim me.
I am looking forward to mentally committing to this game.

[YyottaCat]

I was originally townreading MURDERCAT because he doesn't seem scummy to me. But then the MURDERCAT wagon built up and now I have no idea.

What did you think of his vote on you? You never responded to the points he made against you

If I didn't respond, then I probably never noticed it. I generally had no idea why he would vote me. People were talking about how I could be scummy and then he thought so too I guess.

[Salsabil Faria]

MURDERCAT

(Filler + NAI) Posts:

11, 13, 30, 34, 38, 49, 97, 99, 104, 118, 364, 370, 406, 407, 591, 596, 721.

Good Posts:

114 (town!you tried to read

shadowslug

and wanted to know others points of view on this matter), 184 (previous reason), 197 (previous reason), 203 (town!you tried to sort

Green Crayons

&

shadowslug

), 210 (previous reason), 213 (previous reason + town!you tried to sort

PenguinPower

too), 227 (this post has a point),229 (town!you were pushing

PenguinPower

), 579 (town!you were pushing

YyottaCat

), 602 (good point), 604 (town!you were pushing

YyottaCat

), 608 (town!you gave reason for your read on

Skitter

; refer: 588), 613 (previous reason), 719 (find town motivation here), 720 (town!you were pushing

YyottaCat

), 722 (find town motivation here), 732 (same

PenguinPower

push), 815 (same

YyottaCat

push), 819 (find town motivation here), 859 (can be town motivatated), 870 (

PenguinPower

push but don't agree with the points yet), 873 (can be town motivatated).

Vouge/Passive Statements Without Giving Any Reasons (scum indicative to me):

155 (scum!you were shading

Dumb and Dumber

here), 156 (no elaboration was attached), 204 (previous reason), 350 (previous reason), 352 (previous reason), 353 (previous reason), 387 (previous reason), 582 (previous reason), 594 (previous reason), 599 (scum!you were shading

Green Crayons

here), 618 (can be scum motivated), 724 (scum!you showed disagreement but didn't ask any question further).

Null Posts (for now):

225, 590, 718, 727, 734, 736, 749, 753, 817, 858, 860.

(I Have Questions) Posts:

(i)

Why did you vote

Green Crayons

on 166?

(ii)

From 173: Why "Calling early town reads scummy is scummy"?

(iii)

Why scum!YyottaCat can't defend you (refer: 868)?

[Salsabil Faria]

I'll be back with

PenguinPower

soon, time for taking a break now.

[PenguinPower]

@penguin are you currently townreading dumb&dumber? when/why did you start townreading skitter? is the read based on something other than how skitter is reading you?

Yes, but with an appropriate dose of skepticism because it's skitteR. I can't point to where it started exactly, but I started to feel good about it around murderkitty wagon time.

[catboi]

Do you mind looking in his ISO and pointing to where that started?

On an unrelated note, I didn’t really like gamma’s reaction to me vs auro, repeatedly saying it was pointless and then not bothering to try to redirect or offer any game-related content. I don’t have much, if any, experience playing with him but I feel like he doesn’t really feel interested in solving.

- Daenerys

I thought on a skim he wasn't bad but I keep forgetting he's a player in this game, probably because he hasn't posted since I joined.

Re: murdercat pushing penguin, I think town!penguin is a deceivingly easy-looking push for scum to make. I’m not sold on town!penguin but I think it’s worth looking into who the top wagon was when murder tried to wagon penguin to see whether it could have been scum!murder trying to divert wagon away from a scumbuddy. Need to sleep so I’ll do that tomorrow after work hopefully.

@skitter what implications do you think the stalled gamestate has?

- Daenerys

MURDERCAT himself was the leading wagon.

I also still have serious reservations about dumb&dumber but am trying to compile like actually coherent sentences about it before I blow up the thread again. But from where I’m standing, they haven’t done anything particularly town-indicative. Can I get people’s thoughts on them please?

- Daenerys

They seem decent enough to me, leaning toward town.

also i realize i may be mis-interpreting 889. who is dead null: murdercat or penguin?

Penguin. It feels like the active lurking and filler posting is basically a playstyle thing for him and he hasn't really scumtold or towntold, he's just there. He could be scum but I don't think the stuff murdercat is pointing at says a lot either way and I have my own issues with murder's posting.

[catboi]

i might be new but that doesnt mean you should say "newbie did this" for every move i make

it's like saying the "new guy" when you have a new person at school. it's a little patronising

I think this is a town post

Uh its just not a post scum makes?

~ skitter

nervous isn't the right word but this seems like you're getting annoyed at their questioning of you in a defensive way

Eh it was more that i dont have words to elborate than being defensive i would say

I already have townpings on 4 slots!

~ skitter

Also probably town

Slug’s post seems a bit glitzy in a way scum wouldn’t want
For skitter I just relate to that post on a personal level

Ehh, I awareded this points for effort on first glance but the reasoning doesn't really make sense?

MURDERCAT your play feels kinda flat rn
what's up?

okay
I'm just seeing that your current commentary seems devoted to optimal mechplay, which isn't that bad until factoring in that flatness

Also can someone come up with a good reason for MCat being scum or is this just because he’s not a TR yet
I feel like most games MCat gets pressed early as town

This gets a thonk.

[catboi]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

let's try this out.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@penguin are you currently townreading dumb&dumber? when/why did you start townreading skitter? is the read based on something other than how skitter is reading you?

Yes, but with an appropriate dose of skepticism because it's skitteR. I can't point to where it started exactly, but I started to feel good about it around murderkitty wagon time.

what’s the basis for townread?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

ehh okay VOTE: gamma

[PenguinPower]

the same thing as any d1 reasoning - gut/tone

[Daenerys and Dragons]

MURDERCAT himself was the leading wagon.

oh lol. definitely some motivation there to try to create a different wagon then

They seem decent enough to me, leaning toward town.

can you explain why?

Penguin. It feels like the active lurking and filler posting is basically a playstyle thing for him and he hasn't really scumtold or towntold, he's just there. He could be scum but I don't think the stuff murdercat is pointing at says a lot either way and I have my own issues with murder's posting.

what issues do you have with murder?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

the same thing as any d1 reasoning - gut/tone

meh

[PenguinPower]

[Daenerys and Dragons]

I was hoping for something more helpful, since “gut/tone” doesn’t really help me read either of you.

Thoughts on auro’s posts?

- Daenerys

[catboi]

I liked gamma bothering to try to meta-dive yyotta, but he voted her for having a prepared opening and hasn't shifted it since, and that opening was clearly a joke and extremely NAI, it just feels lazy at this point

dumb & dumber read is basically gut at this point (sorry!), just going on an ISO skim and saying hmm, this looks all right. I think they had a few posts I liked I could dig up if really necessary but for now I'm like, eh, I'll work with them because they haven't done anything I dislike

MURDERCAT's more complicated, I'll need a moment to put into words the issues I had with his posting.

[PenguinPower]

The....same. I'm reading them as if they're all skitteR posts so you can assign my feelings on skitteR to Auro if you want.

[PenguinPower]

dumb & dumber read is basically gut at this point

meh.

[Dumb and Dumber]

My heart is no more in a MURDERKITTY lim :/

-Dumbass

Why?

I'm not sure I can articulate this well, but I feel like he could've (/would've) maintained higher consistency in terms of activity and pushes despite the other game as scum, as opposed to having to form genuine reads (especially when under pressure).

I do want to wagon Not_Mafia for the lulz at the moment.

-Dumbass

[Dumb and Dumber]

I am obvtown

-Dumbass

[Daenerys and Dragons]

I am obvtown

-Dumbass

you’re gonna have to explain that one to me.

- Daenerys

[Dumb and Dumber]

Gut/tone

(I was kidding)

-Dumbass

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Do you disagree with a gamma wagon?

- Daenerys