Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[Dumb and Dumber]

Both heads of this hydra believe Gamma is towny.
My personal reason is Gamma's chillness and reaction to my townbloc

-Dumbass

[Daenerys and Dragons]

who’s in your poe?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

reading up

-dragons

[Dumb and Dumber]

{Green Crayons, MURDERKITTY, Not_Mafia, YvottaCat}

Correction to above: Skitter isn't sure on Gamma~ rn

-Dumbass

[Daenerys and Dragons]

I’m sorry but I can’t have fun in mafia games as town, Cakez? Is that what you’re saying?
I actually feel like I vibed pretty hard in a game murder and infinity were both in

That's obviously not what I was getting at and I'm not sure why you're taking it that way

-Dragons

I felt like it was the start of a bad-faith push

That wasn't my goal there. All I was saying is you looked more like your scum meta than town. And I know your scum meta pretty well with Booney just ending.

VOTE: shadowslug

By far my strongest SR after catching up.
Need to talk to lilith more.

-Dragons

Can you talk about what happened up to this point cake that made you vote here?

Yeah let me go back and dig up the posts I didn't like

-dragons

[Dumb and Dumber]

I'll just point this out: the top townread is always the best recruit, and it doesn't matter if scum are also targeting them for the kill.

-Dumbass

[Daenerys and Dragons]

I don’t really think skitter came off as defensive, maybe like.. confused that infinity assumed a reason for her read that wasn’t true and wasn’t stated. Can we instead talk about why shadowslug seems to think her response is “annoyed in a defensive way”?

- Daenerys

Well now this just seems like you're inviting other people to question me rather than doing the dirty work yourself

I really didn't like this post. It's like...shade casting and defensive and accusatory all at once. It doesn't feel like town tone at all.

So is your problem that I'm too certain in my read or that I'm conflicted?

You're going to have to settle on which one you want to say makes me scum so you can finally finish this tiresome windup.

My problem is you jump from confident to conflicted in a way that doesn't look real

You're conflicted one moment then shooting people down who say i'm town the next

You're "seems too easy" post seems fake in light of the posts coming

directly after it

that imply you think i'm just scum

I didn't like Shadow's GC push in general. This reasoning is very murky at best and seems somewhat forced.

You literally quoted a post where I am questioning my read.

Questioning your read why? Because it seems so easy? that's bullcrap reasoning

Like this for example.

Hmm ok

Do you think my grievances about GC are legitimate or am I being stupid?

And I didn't like this either. Approval seeking always grosses me out.

-Dragons

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Well I'll see if Catboi changes my read on that slot.

See, that's the problem. I can't really figure out people's alignments. I'm thinking that Infinity and Da&Dr could be town.

Do you have any reasoning for that?

I'm not really getting anywhere this game myself and those two just had a town “vibe” to me. Hard to explain exactly what is was though. I don't think Infinity is that town-lean after seeing recent posts. Now that I have more time on this game (NM and shadow knows why), I think I might come to some actual reads later.

I continue to not be a fan of Yyotta's posting. It seems less like lost townie and more like scum trying to act like lost townie.

Murdercat probably isn't the bomb though

Catboiii!

-Dumbass

Who cares? Most likely we are not gonna get the bomb here so let's just yeet scum.

Sorry everyone I have to cut this short, but I hope to be back later tonight

Sorry everyone, I was officially burnt out. But I am fully back now. Sorry for contributing the game dying a bit.
If you think I'm scum because I'm playing lazy then so be it. But I am back now, and I hope I've earned the benefit of the doubt because I am a strong town player when I get going.

Okay, but not great

why?

Looking forward to hearing about your scumreads!

Ok I can give more thoughts if you wish

This posting from Murder is so floppy. There's no town energy there.
mmm ok that Penguin case is not bad though.

Will catch up later, but I can finally say this.
I was in this game where town got banned for game throwing: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85633

It was heated and took literally all of my energy. I though it would end before this game started, but it turns out scum didn't know I was their traitor and they kept trying to elim me.
I am looking forward to mentally committing to this game.

Ok having been in this game I can see this.

My heart is no more in a MURDERKITTY lim :/

-Dumbass

Why?

I'm not sure I can articulate this well, but I feel like he could've (/would've) maintained higher consistency in terms of activity and pushes despite the other game as scum, as opposed to having to form genuine reads (especially when under pressure).

I do want to wagon Not_Mafia for the lulz at the moment.

-Dumbass

gross

-dragons

[Dumb and Dumber]

Most likely we are not gonna get the bomb here

Not with that attitude we won't!

-Dumbass

[Dumb and Dumber]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Sorry :/

-Dumbass

[PenguinPower]

mmm...bad vote there skitteR

[Dumb and Dumber]

Shall I go back to MURDERKITTY?

-Dumbass

[PenguinPower]

That would be a much better vote, yes.

[Dumb and Dumber]

VOTE: MURDERKITTY


-Dumbass

[PenguinPower]

ty skitteR

[Dumb and Dumber]

You're welcome Ponglin

-Dumbass

[Infinity 324]

This is the part where I really feel like murder is town but I can't explain it so I'm just gonna keep saying it hoping that does something

[catboi]

This is an attempt to explain what I haven't liked about MURDERCAT:

Calling out PP for active lurking/"responding to safe stuff only" (225/229) feels like a cheap attack.

Murder what do you think of GC atp? I lean town on penguin for not trying to look town

Yeah I guess this is true. I wanted to see the GC reaction to that vote and to try to get PP to do stuff but then he just didn't lol. So I guess this vote is useless.
UNVOTE:

I think the pressure on GC is useful, it's content at least.

VOTE: YyottaCat

I'm going to vote here instead though because NM.

This is a pretty weak post, he says pressure on GC is "useful" but puts an empty vote elsewhere because of N_M, doesn't really contribute much in the way of meaningful pressure on either of them

The case on yyotta in 579 feels weak, he's taking a lot of stuff that feels like noob tells and attributing scumminess to it...but at the same time, I feel like if he's scum and he felt yyotta was flipbait he could push, he'd be going after her harder, and that's where my potential s/s theory came in.

Isn't skitter really good at scum? Like she is surface level townie sure but I am worried about that.

This feels like baselessly putting suspicion on someone, doesn't actually respond to anything they've said, just discredits townreads on someone because of a reputation.

Don't really like the excuse making in 716, that coupled with a lot of his posts being empty one-liners. Reaction to yyotta in 724 is an odd one, just "uhhh" at the scumread he's voting making a vote he presumably finds scummy? It's a very tepid response. Readslist in 734 feels especially flat, the reasoning feels like scum explaining things rather than town reasoning, especially don't like him only concludig with "we need more pressure here" about yyotta.

I don't like the unvote in 816 either, his explanation in 868 is just that it doesn't make sense that yyotta would be defending him as scum by asking why people were voting him, but I think he's smart enough to know scum aren't going to hop on every wagon and asking that single question isn't really a strong defense or a towntell, it looks more like him making an excuse to get off yyotta.

858 especially just feels like a post scum makes, the "trust me guys I'll start REALLY playing and be useful soon" that scum who's gotten off to a slow start uses to try to buy time.

[Green Crayons]

-Dragons

yoooo if you want to catboi wagon it up, i'm game

[Green Crayons]

I continue to not be a fan of Yyotta's posting. It seems less like lost townie and more like scum trying to act like lost townie.

i'm not a fan of her posting either, but that potential strat seems a bit more advanced than yyotta could pull off, given prior games of similar play?

if yyotta = scum, i'm guessing this is just how she plays more so than an actual advanced strategy. but i still think it's bait material.

[catboi]

I wrote that up without seeing dragons's comments on murder ftr. I didn't really highlight it there but in general his ISO feels like it has, well, a lot of the filler he accuses PP of, and he doesn't really seem to be pursuing his scumreads with any kind of vigor which I think is part of why he feels "flat", as others have said

[Dumb and Dumber]

Will catch up later, but I can finally say this.
I was in this game where town got banned for game throwing: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85633

It was heated and took literally all of my energy. I though it would end before this game started, but it turns out scum didn't know I was their traitor and they kept trying to elim me.
I am looking forward to mentally committing to this game.

@catboi: do you not think the other game could have caused that lack of vigor?

-Dumbass

[catboi]

Should also note that while I think salsabil was given too much credit for a single incorrect article in a post, her posting since catching up seems towny enough.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

I wrote that up without seeing dragons's comments on murder ftr. I didn't really highlight it there but in general his ISO feels like it has, well, a lot of the filler he accuses PP of, and he doesn't really seem to be pursuing his scumreads with any kind of vigor which I think is part of why he feels "flat", as others have said

Yeah I think I agree with this and your prior post generally. I think we should give him some benefit of the doubt on why he hasn’t been very engaged so far, but he’s in my yeetpool and if we don’t see much from him even though his other game is over, then I’m okay with that elim (barring any juicier suspicions).

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Will catch up later, but I can finally say this.
I was in this game where town got banned for game throwing: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85633

It was heated and took literally all of my energy. I though it would end before this game started, but it turns out scum didn't know I was their traitor and they kept trying to elim me.
I am looking forward to mentally committing to this game.

@catboi: do you not think the other game could have caused that lack of vigor?

-Dumbass

If you’re asking this, why are you okay voting murder?

- Daenerys