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[Andresvmb]

So that’s how I’m approaching this today. And you know what, I don’t think there’s any great way to do this. Finding a 3p or convincing others you’re not a 3p is just not something that anybody really works at or has to do particularly frequently. So I still feel this is quite like tossing a coin.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So that happened.
Luca was happy to vote Molla but could see SK in both of us, however it seemed unlikely.
Andres was fine ish voting Molla and said he likely wouldn't vote me but could see SK in both Luca/me as well.
This isn't exactly a good situation for the game to be in just before i go to bed and am feeling tired, i can't really think about the motivation behind the kill. Unless it would somehow be too obvious who the SK is if Molla didn't die. Actually yeah, it's probably a kill to deny any information gauged from the flip. Which might have made it too obvious who the deepwolf is.
This is really demotivating as Luca said.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andres you said you had played as SK before? Can you link that game to me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

In my defense. I don't know what on earth i would gain from killing Molla here after arguing from D6 that they were a part of my final game solve. I thought for sure SK!Molla was scum siding with Vaxkiller and Hayker to eliminate me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually i'm not sure what Luca gains from that either.

[Luca Blight]

This is why I don't like third parties. Both Norwegian and Andres have looked really townie this game, but it doesn't count for a lot when there's an SK.

[Luca Blight]

I think it's fair to say that kill is strange in general.

My first impressions are that it makes slightly more sense coming from Norwegian than Andres.

[Luca Blight]

Andres knew I was expecting a Norwegian NK, so he would have just shot there and I would have most likely voted BBmolla in LYLO.

Norwegian would have more reason to WIFOM the situation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wouldn’t do some risky play like that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would probably shoot either Luca or Andres and argue for Molla SK if anything. That’s what i think would make the most sense if i was in that situation.

[Luca Blight]

I wouldn’t do some risky play like that.

All of us could say the same tbh. I think rn you'd have more reason to than Andres.

I will have a look back through the game and see if I can find anything relevant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

By just my knowledge of Lucas psyche i think he plays it safe here but Andres i think could pull some stunt like that.
This isn’t even a read based on previous posts. Just general psychology.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway please don’t make any hasty judgements. I’ll be back tommorow and give this another look.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sleep thoughts#
I don’t think SK!Luca would act swayed by Molla’s AtE yesterday.

[Luca Blight]

Or if we’re doing it. Shouldn’t we discuss what a kill on "x" would mean for the allignment of "y" and vice verca?
An completely unorganized to kill is unacceptable if there is no clear framework of what town wins or gains.

Like this seems just what the 3p wanted - clarity that would have helped determine what NK to make. I wasn’t particularly interested in doing this because I had my thinking, but if I reveal it I’m giving the other party a heads up with regards to what to do.

I kind of agree with this tbh.

Norwegian's strategy would have definitely benefited the SK more than Town, I feel.

[Andresvmb]

Yeah I can link to the game I played SK. Let me find it first.

[Andresvmb]

https://forum.mafia451.com/t/mha-mafia- ... =andresvmb

[Andresvmb]

In that game like I explained, I Town-sided hard and lead 4 consecutive Scum executions while hard-defending a Town player I needed to shoot. There was a slight Mod error that also forced my hand a little bit.

[Andresvmb]

I would probably shoot either Luca or Andres and argue for Molla SK if anything. That’s what i think would make the most sense if i was in that situation.

Frankly this is what I expected you to do - shoot me. Luca almost always votes BBMolla I think over you. So this ending I don’t quite understand. But if I really wanted to tunnel to not leave myself open for much, I again just NK Norwegian and be done with it.

[Andresvmb]

I wouldn’t do some risky play like that.

All of us could say the same tbh. I think rn you'd have more reason to than Andres.

I will have a look back through the game and see if I can find anything relevant.

Well yeah. All I have to do is stay consistent with yesterday, where I laid out all of my thoughts as to who I thought was the SK. And if you look at it, I said I thought the vote should be between Luca and Molla, and I also felt Molla was the least likely player to be SK based on their play. I could have tried to win yesterday even, but I voted No Kill. So yeah I do feel like I’m being set up here.

[Andresvmb]

@Luca you know what’s helping your case in my eyes? Your defiance. You have been so insistent about standing up for your play (and it’s very similar to how I act when people start bashing me when I’m not being that helpful as Town), even saying that you would talk to me about it post-game, I really do think you would maybe avoid that a little more if you were an SK. It just struck me as genuine. I am a bit soft on these arguments I admit, but I do find them more often than not coming just from frustrated Town. It’s just so hard to fake that true genuine emotion. I don’t know - I could be reading too much into it.

[Andresvmb]

And I’m not implying you haven’t been helpful btw. Just to be clear. I just know that’s how I react when I’m in that particular situation. Here I think you’re just reacting frustrated you’re not getting your due so to speak.

[Andresvmb]

Like Norwegian did it too earlier in the game but in a different way. By trying to sideline me. It wasn’t an engagement with me as a fellow Town member. It was more go away you don’t know what you’re talking about. Which I SR’ed coincidentally.

[Andresvmb]

So, this is it. I’ve improved my Endgame performance over time but it’s never come down to voting correctly for the SK so this is new. I am not in any rush so I’ll give Norwegian plenty of time to say whatever they want to say. I think deep down I have a sense of where I’m going to vote, and I don’t think much of what people actually say here will change that I mean what is there to say? Like we’ve all played very much like members of the Town nobody is going to try and argue here that somebody was Scummier than someone else because it’s just not true.

[Andresvmb]

Or at least, no longer true. I have wanted both of you dead at different points hahaha so at least some version of me will be proven correct.