Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[Daenerys and Dragons]

-Dragons

yoooo if you want to catboi wagon it up, i'm game

sorry I think catboi is town, catboi wagon is a no go at this time

- Daenerys

[Green Crayons]

boo

[catboi]

Will catch up later, but I can finally say this.
I was in this game where town got banned for game throwing: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85633

It was heated and took literally all of my energy. I though it would end before this game started, but it turns out scum didn't know I was their traitor and they kept trying to elim me.
I am looking forward to mentally committing to this game.

@catboi: do you not think the other game could have caused that lack of vigor?

-Dumbass

Ehhh, maybe different priorities led to different energy levels, but I don't think it's enough to override my suspicion of his posting so far.

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Sorry :/

-Dumbass

so, why?

[Infinity 324]

@lilith Not much has changed since I TRed skitter early, we mindmelded on GC a bit. It's not really a read I'm interested in re-evaluating until later on

Everyone is towny, let's wagon NM

VOTE: nm

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town

VOTE: Murder Cat

[Dumb and Dumber]

Ehhh, maybe different priorities led to different energy levels, but I don't think it's enough to override my suspicion of his posting so far.

Fair enough, and to an earlier q: I was just picking at his thought process.

As to why N_M: I wanted to see where it goes.

-Dumbass

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Presumably you were doing that to sort catboi - how has his answer impacted your read of him? How did you expect his answer to help you sort him?

- Daenerys

[Dumb and Dumber]

I think his answer was fair and does not impact my read on him either way

-Dumbass

[Daenerys and Dragons]

When you asked that question, how did you think it was going to help you sort him?

- Daenerys

[Dumb and Dumber]

Responses to information that can weaken/contradict someone's stance can be AI at times

-Dumbass

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Why do I feel like I’m pulling teeth and like your answers to me are always these vague generalities that don’t actually mean anything?

catboi literally mentioned the post you were asking about. They said they believed it to be a post that scum would make to stall. I don’t understand what information you were hoping to get that would have helped you sort him. Instead it feels like you’re asking the question to look like you’re doing something, without engaging anything else that they’ve said about murder.

Why are you willing to vote murder when just last night you said you no longer wanted his elim?

- Daenerys

[Dumb and Dumber]

I do not wish to engage directly with you as of right now. Apologies if that doesn't help you sort my slot, I won't protest if you scumread us for it.

Because I still feel this.

My heart's not in a MURDER murder but I'm fine with voting him anyway, and Skitter (and Penglin!) are too

-Dumbass

[Daenerys and Dragons]

fine. I will no longer address you.

[Salsabil Faria]

Spoiler: MURDERCAT

MURDERCAT

(Filler + NAI) Posts:

11, 13, 30, 34, 38, 49, 97, 99, 104, 118, 364, 370, 406, 407, 591, 596, 721.

Good Posts:

114 (town!you tried to read

shadowslug

and wanted to know others points of view on this matter), 184 (previous reason), 197 (previous reason), 203 (town!you tried to sort

Green Crayons

&

shadowslug

), 210 (previous reason), 213 (previous reason + town!you tried to sort

PenguinPower

too), 227 (this post has a point),229 (town!you were pushing

PenguinPower

), 579 (town!you were pushing

YyottaCat

), 602 (good point), 604 (town!you were pushing

YyottaCat

), 608 (town!you gave reason for your read on

Skitter

; refer: 588), 613 (previous reason), 719 (find town motivation here), 720 (town!you were pushing

YyottaCat

), 722 (find town motivation here), 732 (same

PenguinPower

push), 815 (same

YyottaCat

push), 819 (find town motivation here), 859 (can be town motivatated), 870 (

PenguinPower

push but don't agree with the points yet), 873 (can be town motivatated).

Vouge/Passive Statements Without Giving Any Reasons (scum indicative to me):

155 (scum!you were shading

Dumb and Dumber

here), 156 (no elaboration was attached), 204 (previous reason), 350 (previous reason), 352 (previous reason), 353 (previous reason), 387 (previous reason), 582 (previous reason), 594 (previous reason), 599 (scum!you were shading

Green Crayons

here), 618 (can be scum motivated), 724 (scum!you showed disagreement but didn't ask any question further).

Null Posts (for now):

225, 590, 718, 727, 734, 736, 749, 753, 817, 858, 860.

(I Have Questions) Posts:

(i)

Why did you vote

Green Crayons

on 166?

(ii)

From 173: Why "Calling early town reads scummy is scummy"?

(iii)

Why scum!YyottaCat can't defend you (refer: 868)?

I make two mistakes here, didn't state my read on him and misread 155. No shading happened there, it'll go in

Null Posts (for now)

section. The way you claimed about your town play on 155, 749 and 753, your playstyle is showing different thing. Despite of having more good/town posts than bad/scum posts, town!you feel performative.

Current Read:

Null/

Scum

[catboi]

I'm town

VOTE: Murder Cat

Why is it that when you say that it makes me doubt you the most?

[Infinity 324]

Despite of having more good/town posts than bad/scum posts, town!you feel performative.

Can you elaborate on this?

[Infinity 324]

Back in 2016-2017 there used to be people who claimed they could read NM, has that art been lost to time?

[Dumb and Dumber]

Back in 2016-2017 there used to be people who claimed they could read NM, has that art been lost to time?

Need more posts!

-Dumbass

[Salsabil Faria]

Despite of having more good/town posts than bad/scum posts, town!you feel performative.

Can you elaborate on this?

Yes, see his 155, 749, 753..... then see how he is playing, not matching up at all. That's why I think scum!MURDERCAT is trying to look like a townie.

[Infinity 324]

I feel like he has been doing 155? It's clear he hasn't been giving 100% yet, but what I think he's trying to say (and I've experienced this too) is that he doesn't give 100% until he has the energy/motivation to do so.

[Dumb and Dumber]

although that vote is pretty questionable ...

penguin you're beating me to everything cuz i have to keep switching accounts >.>

i think your'e a town penguin now btw!

~ skitter

I KNOW IT JUST TOOK SOME TIME

~ skitteR

@lilith u asked abt my penguin tr, it culminated around here - at that point we'd had the same exact thoughts over a few hours, several times

~ skitteR

[Dumb and Dumber]

@skitter what implications do you think the stalled gamestate has?

either MURDERKITTY is scum and the wagon is stalling cuz scum don't want him to die
or he's town and scum think the push is inevitable

i don't know which yet, which is why i didn't really try to draw any conclusions

~ skitter

[Dumb and Dumber]

I was hoping for something more helpful, since “gut/tone” doesn’t really help me read either of you.

Thoughts on auro’s posts?

- Daenerys

i mean tbf on my end this is a bit reductive, because that's not the reasoning i gave
(as i wrote this out i realized that you may have only been talking about penguin's read on me, and not also mine on him, so nm)

are you still like mad at auro from last week?

~

also: salsa is like super transparently beyond townie

~ skitter

[Dumb and Dumber]

You're welcome Ponglin

-Dumbass

oh i shall hence forth call you Ponglin as well, so now we have skitteR, and MURDERKITTY, and hopefully by the end of the game we'll have cute nicknames for everyone!

~ skitter