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[Luca Blight]

Not very closely.

Petapan agrees with my Goofball TR, and thought Lamb was scum earlier, but hasn't been keeping track too much.

[jjh927]

Fair enough

Well, there's some day left before the now-inevitable LLD elim so you should probably make the most of it and interact with people directly

[jjh927]

Talk to me about someone you have mixed feelings about

[innocentvillager]

luca you still hard SRing me?

[Luca Blight]

I never said I hard SR you.

Your tone feels Townie but there were a few things that pinged me, that I'm struggling to even remember rn. I'll do some ISO'ing to refresh my memory.

[implosion]

18

In Chinese tradition, 18 pronounced 十八 (shí bā) and is considered a lucky number due to similarity with 實發 (shì fā) 'definitely get rich', 'to get rich for sure'.[3]
According to applications of numerology in Judaism, the letters of the word chai ("living") add up to 18. Thus, 18 is considered a lucky number and many gifts for B'nai Mitzvot and weddings are in $18 increments.[4]

Vote Count 1.18

Lady Lambdadelta

(5): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Ythan, jjh927

Bell

(2): Winter Flakes, Titus

DrippingGoofball

(2): Dunnstral, Bell

Titus

(2): innocentvillager, Dannflor

Ythan

(2): OkaPoka, Cephrir

Hopkirk

(1): AGar

AGar

(1): Hopkirk

mastina

(1): Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting

(2): Luca Blight, Almost50

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).

Prodding Hopkirk.

[innocentvillager]

Biggest SR at this stage is probably IV, based on gut mostly.

i conflated big with hard, not the first time ive done that

[Cephrir]

yeah we're really just beating ourselves today huh

[Cephrir]

18

In Chinese tradition, 18 pronounced 十八 (shí bā) and is considered a lucky number due to similarity with 實發 (shì fā) 'definitely get rich', 'to get rich for sure'.[3]
According to applications of numerology in Judaism, the letters of the word chai ("living") add up to 18. Thus, 18 is considered a lucky number and many gifts for B'nai Mitzvot and weddings are in $18 increments.[4]

Vote Count 1.18

Lady Lambdadelta

(5): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Ythan, jjh927

Bell

(2): Winter Flakes, Titus

DrippingGoofball

(2): Dunnstral, Bell

Titus

(2): innocentvillager, Dannflor

Ythan

(2): OkaPoka, Cephrir

Hopkirk

(1): AGar

AGar

(1): Hopkirk

mastina

(1): Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting

(2): Luca Blight, Almost50

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).

Prodding Hopkirk.

this is a crime

[Luca Blight]

Just going through your ISO now and I'll quote a few bits that stand out.

the more i read the more im thinking im the idiot here for not grasping what you are saying and that we might be talking past each other on hercule's 1st post

I've read hercule's 2nd post and I don't get the "fucking awful" vibes that you are getting from it. He probably didn't prewrite the 2nd post so that's why it seems improvisational and I think it's fine if it references his voice reaction from 12h ago or whatever?

idk, im pretty mixed on hercule especially now that everyone is shading them but it's not like, unexpected shade to me given his posting style i guess

This, and the posts prior where you seemed to be defending my slot, but which culminates with fence-sitting felt a little performative (a new word I learned). It's exactly the sort of thing I could see scum doing to look good/productive while not really committing themselves or doing anything significant.

[Cephrir]

hey bell what is your opinion on anything

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: hercule fair

see, i kind of don't think hercule does like the exact same shit he did in the first game (immediate lamisty self-arguments and suggestions for why he should be conftown) but with a slightly different tone unless he's thinking on like level 3? but maybe he just is like, thinking on level 3 here

fwiw i think lld and mastina are my top townleans

And here you vote my slot while seeming to say you think it's more likely it's Town, but it's

possible

my slot could be scum?

It's as though you've allowed yourself to be talked into the vote, in order to look as though you're being fair and open minded about it.

[Dunnstral]

LLD you misunderstand if you think I'm threatening you

Your voting is ineffective and because I don't agree with you I also am not joining in, and I'm also trying to workw ith you here

So you don't scumread DGB?

You either agree with Mastina's logic or you start telling me why you are agreeing with her despite it being LITERAL MADE UP GARBAGE.

Listen, I don't read Mastina based on whether I agree with her, at all. That's not a factor I take into account

Maybe I'm wrong, but your argument isn't convincing to me

[Dunnstral]

Biggest SR at this stage is probably IV, based on gut mostly.

i conflated big with hard, not the first time ive done that

yeah we're really just beating ourselves today huh

[Cephrir]

yknow i read his post that way but then proceeded to write mine unironically

[innocentvillager]

fair points

This, and the posts prior where you seemed to be defending my slot, but which culminates with fence-sitting felt a little performative (a new word I learned). It's exactly the sort of thing I could see scum doing to look good/productive while not really committing themselves or doing anything significant.

i will say that's just me

i have been kind of just throwing my vote around and seeing what sticks particularly in early game and i tend not to be super confident on reads in general which manifests as fencesitting

i probably do stuff like this as scum to emulate town!me and get townread too tho so idk

And here you vote my slot while seeming to say you think it's more likely it's Town, but it's

possible

my slot could be scum?

It's as though you've allowed yourself to be talked into the vote, in order to look as though you're being fair and open minded about it.

sure, it's possible id do that as scum for the reason you mentioned, finding an excuse to vote hercule (or just do *anything*)

or maybe im town who didn't/doesn't have strong reads, actually is being open about his thought process, and was just interested in applying pressure to hercule to see what he would do

i guess it's hard to say which one it is in isolation but i can see why this is pinging you

[mastina]

@Mastina
Do you really think this is a scum bluff? I just find it too hard to believe it is

Absolutely, yes. That language is incredibly common from LLD. Is it inherently scum, no, LLD can do it as town, too. But I happen to think that in this case it came from scum.

y not?

Basically it boils down to Titus's approach to the game. Titus will stand by her theories, but her theories are subject to the evidence; they can and will shift if she is given strong reason to reassess. Them only shifting if "something goes wrong" implies a level of confirmation bias that Titus as town wouldn't have, basically.

Btw I wanna post a slightly ~spicy~ take, but it's not truly spicy so much as it is a slight update:

[Dunnstral]

LLD can do it as town, too. But I happen to think that in this case it came from scum.

You've been using this reasoning all game and it's actually made me want to vote whoever you were talking about less

[Luca Blight]

This vote seems opportunistic to me, given the wagon on tw at the time and that you had barely mentioned his slot before this.

the worst has requested replacement; searching for a replacement.

VOTE: the worst

[Luca Blight]

Although you soon jump back off, which redeems it a bit I guess.

VOTE: Titus teehee

I still don't really understand the purpose of tw vote.

[mastina]

hercule/Luca Blight
Hopkirk
innocentvillager
Dannflor
DrippingGoofball
Xtoxm

jjh927
Almost50
Cephrir
Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned)
Dunnstral


the worst/Bell

Ythan

OkaPoka

AGar

Titus
Lady Lambdadelta

Townbloc, strong townreads, scum poe candidate that I don't think is scum, scum poe candidate that if any of my scumreads is wrong replaces them, assuming-fourth-scum but not by much, scumread, strong scumreads.

For the reads south of null, the groupings are approximately:
{Titus, LLD} {AGar} {Ythan, OkaPoka, the worst}

The Titus/LLD group has basically no doubts that they're scum.
The AGar scumread is forming more and more the more and more he posts.

When it comes to the other three:
OkaPoka I am thinking is the final scum for a D1 scumteam callout of Titus, LLD, AGar, OkaPoka, for maybe a stupid reason but a reason nonetheless: we haven't heard from MathBlade at all aside from a singular, probably pregame, mention of my readslists being how to townread me. This, in spite of MB having started to be involved last game and him having ample opportunity to have followed along this game and given feedback. OkaPoka has apparently never consulted MathBlade on Titus in spite of Titus being MathBlade's sibling. Yes, I am fully aware that being siblings doesn't mean he can soulread Titus; he can be wrong on her. But he should still have good insights onto her and have formed, right or wrong, a stance on her, yet we've got radio silence from him.

This also extends to various aspects, such as Oka's push on me. Did OkaPoka not consult his team when he had the 'thought' that I was being political? Surely MathBlade would've had something to say about that theory even if he wasn't following along. Overall, OkaPoka hasn't seemed town to me and the cementing factor as fourth scumread is the lack of his teammate's feedback.

Ythan is out of the four because Oka is in, but if I am wrong on my scumreads of any of the four, he goes in. I realize that he's not as town as he was last game. He doesn't resonate town, and his vote on LLD is probably nai regardless of LLD's alignment. So he very easily could be scum, I just have four players I think are scum more than him.

the worst's slot easily could be scum. worstie was underwhelming (tho him replacing out could mean he was aware of this and decided to replace out due to this, something that I think he'd do regardless of his alignment but actually slightly more likely if he's town), and Bell so far isn't astonishing me, either. The slot even has potential partner-tells with LLD.

The reason I don't think the slot is scum tho is a combination of a much much stronger anti-associative with Titus (if Titus flips scum like I believe she will, her push on the worst is almost definitely not a bus), along with minor gut on Bell, in that while he's underwhelming, I still think him town. He's still in the poe, but he's the least likely in the poe to be scum imo.

[Luca Blight]

So yeah, to sum up: IV seems Townie based on tone for the most part. His interactions feel natural, but I can't really point to anything content-wise that strikes me as particularly Townie, and there are a few scummy bits in there. Some of it could be down to play style, as he seems to be a naturally cautious player.

I'll ISO Lady Lamb next.

[Luca Blight]

I don't think Lamb's early pressure on my slot is that bad. I can understand why she didn't like Hercule's second post.

Honestly can I ever play a game with Mastina where she doesn't scum read me?

Look, you want to kill me? Burden of Proficiency me. Give me one day to decide who dies, and if they flip town, kill me.

But never listen to the worst player in this game who has an actual 0 % read record on me.

The number of town games I have played where Mastina has literally called me scum for every day in them and then oops we're both town

is fucking why I refuse to engage with her and eliminate her reads in reverse, tbh

I find it strange how quick she is to read Mastina as 'bad town' rather than possible scum here. The whole BoP offer is a bit performative, as she must have realised that would never be agreed to.

[Cephrir]

LLD can do it as town, too. But I happen to think that in this case it came from scum.

You've been using this reasoning all game and it's actually made me want to vote whoever you were talking about less

when i say that her reasons aren't reasons, this is the kind of thing i'm talking about yes

[Cephrir]

it must be nice being able to cogdis oneself into having no doubts about reads despite having played a jillion games of mafia and thus witnessed that one's reads are never all correct