Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[Daenerys and Dragons]

No one is bothering to honestly engage with me here so I’ll just let my flip speak for itself

what a misrep. I asked you questions about the murder wagon.

If you think murder is town, then are people being actively opportunistic about wagoning him? What do you think about penguin convincing dumb&dumber to vote back on murder after auro voted NM for lolz?

and your response is to pretend that I’m not engaging with you?

- Daenerys

[PenguinPower]

I’ve tried to respond but I’m not getting any feeling that YOU actually care for what I’m saying.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

hey penguin wanna join the juicy gamma wagon?

- Daenerys

You know what, do it. I fucking DARE you.

this is an overblown reaction to me trying to pressure you because I’m not satisfied with your content

- Daenerys

[PenguinPower]

And not to mention the fact you’re using a blatantly outdated point

BTXV just finished

blatantly outdated point

just finished

[Gamma Emerald]

No one is bothering to honestly engage with me here so I’ll just let my flip speak for itself

what a misrep. I asked you questions about the murder wagon.

If you think murder is town, then are people being actively opportunistic about wagoning him? What do you think about penguin convincing dumb&dumber to vote back on murder after auro voted NM for lolz?

and your response is to pretend that I’m not engaging with you?

- Daenerys

I kinda felt like I addressed that in another post
I don’t particularly feel like many scum are on murdercat, otherwise I wouldn’t be debating like this, I’d just lim the scum. But I feel like outside of Cakez and infinity, NM is the only one here who should have a decent idea of how murdercat is, but he just lazily voted murder

[Gamma Emerald]

And not to mention the fact you’re using a blatantly outdated point

BTXV just finished

blatantly outdated point

just finished

By how I was acting you should have been able to infer I was referring to a recently completed game.
I’m beginning to suspect you’re scum and really not interacting in good faith here at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hold up.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

No one is bothering to honestly engage with me here so I’ll just let my flip speak for itself

what a misrep. I asked you questions about the murder wagon.

If you think murder is town, then are people being actively opportunistic about wagoning him? What do you think about penguin convincing dumb&dumber to vote back on murder after auro voted NM for lolz?

and your response is to pretend that I’m not engaging with you?

- Daenerys

I kinda felt like I addressed that in another post
I don’t particularly feel like many scum are on murdercat, otherwise I wouldn’t be debating like this, I’d just lim the scum. But I feel like outside of Cakez and infinity, NM is the only one here who should have a decent idea of how murdercat is, but he just lazily voted murder

Are you under the impression that NM does anything not lazily?
Why do you think he should “know how murdercat is” and that this is town!murder?

- Daenerys

[PenguinPower]

You do realize that I've already pointed out it changing the sample size from 1 scum game to 2 scum games doesn't change my point at all (which is that your method for reading murderkitty is horribly bad) and I'm just posting that to show how ridiculously pedantic you are...right?

I mean - by how I am acting you should have been able to infer that.

[Gamma Emerald]

@MURDERCAT

what did you mean by “your one scum game”?
I feel like depending on this I have a solid binary of where scum is.
UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

[Gamma Emerald]

No one is bothering to honestly engage with me here so I’ll just let my flip speak for itself

what a misrep. I asked you questions about the murder wagon.

If you think murder is town, then are people being actively opportunistic about wagoning him? What do you think about penguin convincing dumb&dumber to vote back on murder after auro voted NM for lolz?

and your response is to pretend that I’m not engaging with you?

- Daenerys

I kinda felt like I addressed that in another post
I don’t particularly feel like many scum are on murdercat, otherwise I wouldn’t be debating like this, I’d just lim the scum. But I feel like outside of Cakez and infinity, NM is the only one here who should have a decent idea of how murdercat is, but he just lazily voted murder

Are you under the impression that NM does anything not lazily?
Why do you think he should “know how murdercat is” and that this is town!murder?

- Daenerys

He was in a game where town!murdercat was limmed D1

[Daenerys and Dragons]

also if you already addressed a question that I asked, just link me to it instead of shouting that I’m not engaging you honestly. I don’t understand how that’s the first reaction you have.

- Daenerys

[Gamma Emerald]

And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

okay and I repeat: your best suspect is NM?

- Daenerys

[Gamma Emerald]

not anymore
I s2g do you fuckers have any reading comprehension at all?

[Infinity 324]

Gamma chill

[Gamma Emerald]

@MURDERCAT

what did you mean by “your one scum game”?
I feel like depending on this I have a solid binary of where scum is.
UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

like holy shit how dense are you?????

[Daenerys and Dragons]

seriously the vitriol here is incredibly offputting, I feel like I have been engaging with you in good faith and what I got back was completely uncalled for.

I feel like a broken record now. It really feels like the only thing you care about is murder not being eliminated. I’m fine with giving him another day, but then it feels like you don’t care about solving anyone else in the game. Voting NM is even lazier than voting murder, who has actively provided scummy content. NM is just being NM as far as I can tell, and you haven’t even attempted to solve the person you thought should be scum based on this weirdass point about him seeing a wagon on town!murder once. It isn’t clear to me why NM is no longer suspicious to you and it also wasn’t clear to me that he was no longer suspicious to you. 1059 is very convoluted and I don’t know why it matters what murdercat was talking about and why that impacts your vote on NM.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

also if you already addressed a question that I asked, just link me to it instead of shouting that I’m not engaging you honestly. I don’t understand how that’s the first reaction you have.

- Daenerys

[Infinity 324]

Lilith can you try to explain what's been actively scummy about murder's content as opposed to just underwhelming

I've seen flashes of a town!murder personality here and I normally soulread him as town when he's town so I'm also reluctant to elim him today

I am sorta mindmelding with gamma here because I don't want to elim murder but I also am not excited about anyone else, that's why I voted NM at least, yeah it's lazy but I want to trust my reads enough to say that me having a lot of TRs means the unreadable players are more likely scum

[PenguinPower]

And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.

it's bad.

[Gamma Emerald]

Here's the thing: I legitimately don't actively solve early unless driven by emotions or something. I do this for three reasons: I'm lazy, it helps get through the most active stages of larger games where trying to keep up is nigh impossible, and it lowers my NK worth. That last point wasn't always a reason for it but after mini 2173 I realized I actually had enough impact to get NKed over reputation versus my play in that game, so now I deliberately sandbag to try to get farther, which I'm sure you've seen other players do. Flavor Leaf and mastina might be the leading names in that regard for me, though idrk if the latter qualifies. But the point is the fact I haven't been actively searching for scum is part of how I play these days, but atp I'm pissed off enough to switch to active mode.

[Infinity 324]

Agree that gamma's arguments aren't very strong but he does seem to believe them

[Gamma Emerald]

And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.

it's bad.

Actually BTXV showed he really doesn't get townier as time passes in scumgames. He was wagoned in 7p and 5p limlo, predominantly by town iirc.
So no, I have an example of the converse, try again smartass.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@infinity
catboi’s post sums up most of it I think, have you read and responded to this?

Actually just looked at your ISO and you don’t seem to have mentioned this post at all, which is interesting because this is probably the biggest scumcase on murder so far, and you seemingly hard townread this slot before catboi replaced in. Is there a reason you haven’t responded to catboi on murder or engaged with catboi at all?

- Daenerys