Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[Daenerys and Dragons]

boop

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@lilith The argument isn't "murder could be lazy town"

It's "laziness isn't scum-indicative, especially for murder"

I just don't think any of the points against murder actually make him more likely to be scum, and he's felt towny to me so far

Fair point about not searching for other scum, I've been pretty demotivated and should probably be re-evaluating my TRs. But also, when I have reasons to TR a lot of the playerlist, yeah maybe players like NM and yyota, who I don't have reasons to TR, are more likely scum

Okay, fine. I don’t find NM a satisfactory secondary wagon though because... doesn’t the same reasoning apply?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Yeah I do wish he would post more since he said he would be, but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk

*raises hand*

- Daenerys

[PenguinPower]

is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever?

Yes.

[Infinity 324]

I haven't gotten townvibes from NM, I'm (very) not confident I'll be able to read NM later

PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?

[Gamma Emerald]

If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often

but see:

And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.

I'm saying your perspective on murdercat is way smaller than mine or infinity's, and as such you should listen to what I'm saying, which is to give him time since he becomes stronger as town further along in the game, and I think based on how things have developed he is town
I'm not just metaing murdercat, I'm metaing the scenario

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I do wish he would post more since he said he would be, but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk

Infinity I'm concerned you have to ask this question.

[PenguinPower]

PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?

seems a little dismissive when you received two answers of the affirmative.

[Green Crayons]

if you're saying murder-town is stronger late game rather than early game


cool, i hope he's town and doesn't get eliminated


if you're saying murder-town is frequently pushed early in the game, and so because murder is being suspected in D1 (

not

early D1 mind you), we should give him the benefit of the doubt that he is therefore again town...........


well then you lost me

[Infinity 324]

I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something

It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk

[Daenerys and Dragons]

that’s literally my reaction as scum to most pressure.

- Daenerys

[PenguinPower]

I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something

It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk

I mean - it depends on the player, but I have seen it (work) enough that it's not a good reason to use it for ++town points.

[PenguinPower]

that’s literally my reaction as scum to most pressure.

- Daenerys

lilith

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@gamma I think it’s also unrealistic to believe that you’ll be able to persuade everyone to leave murder alone for a scenario that only you have knowledge of when you 1) have put no visible effort into solving and progressing the game, and 2) have admitted to doing that on purpose. you likely don’t have enough credibility or trust to defend murder successfully. If you want people to follow your lead, then they need to trust you first.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

that’s literally my reaction as scum to most pressure.

- Daenerys

lilith

shush

[Infinity 324]

Yeah I'm not arguing that murder is town for it

[Daenerys and Dragons]

.... aren’t you?

- Daenerys

[PenguinPower]

Yeah I'm not arguing that murder is town for it

but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk

PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?

Sorry - this seemed to be an argument for notscum!kitty which would be town!kitty

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something

It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk

that's
what I used to do

[Infinity 324]

I was arguing against the fact that it's scummy for murder to not be here atm, I think it's NAI

[Gamma Emerald]

also I think we're kinda at a point were we all want the same thing more-or-less but just have different perspectives which is keeping us from seeing eye-to-eye

[Green Crayons]

we all want the same thing more-or-less

...to eliminate scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

yes
but there's something more I'm feeling beyond that

[Gamma Emerald]

yyottacat can you write up a quick read list
I just need to see where you're at

I’m disappointed tbh gamma

also I didn't bring this up early but why'd you hop on this train, it seems a bit out of place given you don't know me

[Daenerys and Dragons]

yes
but there's something more I'm feeling beyond that

?

- Daenerys