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Okay, fine. I don’t find NM a satisfactory secondary wagon though because... doesn’t the same reasoning apply?In post 1095, Infinity 324 wrote:@lilith The argument isn't "murder could be lazy town"
It's "laziness isn't scum-indicative, especially for murder"
I just don't think any of the points against murder actually make him more likely to be scum, and he's felt towny to me so far
Fair point about not searching for other scum, I've been pretty demotivated and should probably be re-evaluating my TRs. But also, when I have reasons to TR a lot of the playerlist, yeah maybe players like NM and yyota, who I don't have reasons to TR, are more likely scum
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*raises hand*In post 1098, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah I do wish he would post more since he said he would be, but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk
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Yes.In post 1098, Infinity 324 wrote:is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever?<(") | (")>- Infinity 324
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I haven't gotten townvibes from NM, I'm (very) not confident I'll be able to read NM later
PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?- Gamma Emerald
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I'm saying your perspective on murdercat is way smaller than mine or infinity's, and as such you should listen to what I'm saying, which is to give him time since he becomes stronger as town further along in the game, and I think based on how things have developed he is townIn post 1096, Green Crayons wrote:
but see:In post 1094, Gamma Emerald wrote:If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often
In post 1070, PenguinPower wrote:And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.
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Infinity I'm concerned you have to ask this question.In post 1098, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah I do wish he would post more since he said he would be, but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? IdkWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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seems a little dismissive when you received two answers of the affirmative.In post 1104, Infinity 324 wrote:PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?<(") | (")>- Green Crayons
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if you're saying murder-town is stronger late game rather than early game
cool, i hope he's town and doesn't get eliminated
if you're saying murder-town is frequently pushed early in the game, and so because murder is being suspected in D1 (notearly D1 mind you), we should give him the benefit of the doubt that he is therefore again town...........
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I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something
It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk- Daenerys and Dragons
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I mean - it depends on the player, but I have seen it (work) enough that it's not a good reason to use it for ++town points.In post 1109, Infinity 324 wrote:I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something
It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk<(") | (")>- PenguinPower
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In post 1110, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:that’s literally my reaction as scum to most pressure.
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@gamma I think it’s also unrealistic to believe that you’ll be able to persuade everyone to leave murder alone for a scenario that only you have knowledge of when you 1) have put no visible effort into solving and progressing the game, and 2) have admitted to doing that on purpose. you likely don’t have enough credibility or trust to defend murder successfully. If you want people to follow your lead, then they need to trust you first.
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shushIn post 1112, PenguinPower wrote:In post 1110, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:that’s literally my reaction as scum to most pressure.
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In post 1115, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah I'm not arguing that murder is town for itIn post 1098, Infinity 324 wrote:but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk
Sorry - this seemed to be an argument for notscum!kitty which would be town!kittyIn post 1104, Infinity 324 wrote:PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?<(") | (")>- Gamma Emerald
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that'sIn post 1109, Infinity 324 wrote:I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something
It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk
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also I think we're kinda at a point were we all want the same thing more-or-less but just have different perspectives which is keeping us from seeing eye-to-eyeWe're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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...to eliminate scum?In post 1120, Gamma Emerald wrote:we all want the same thing more-or-less"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Gamma Emerald
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yyottacat can you write up a quick read list
I just need to see where you're atalso I didn't bring this up early but why'd you hop on this train, it seems a bit out of place given you don't know me
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