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[Luca Blight]

I got nothing on Ythan.
They refuse to answer the questions I would usually ask to get a read on them and calling it spoon feeding.
At least the owl had reads and eventually gave in and spoon fed me.

These are the slots that need sorting sooner rather than later.

[mastina]

MOD: for the rest of this month, I will be heavily V/LA every Friday/Saturday until the end of the month. For this week specifically, I will be V/LA until Saturday.

I've got lifeguard training to go to. (Special coronavirus recert for those whose certs unavoidably expired during quarantine due to lack of ability to do recert classes.) I've been trying to make headway in the pre-course homework that's due on the first day of class, but I not only started it too late (a week later than I had planned), but also am progressing far slower than I intended (I made the reasonable, but wrong, decision to prioritize sleep over homework) and far slower than I anticipated (when I am tired, I do the homework much slower so it takes longer to complete which was why I thought prioritizing sleep would help, except...I'm still absurdly tired, just with less work done).

I'm aware of the bad timing, but it's somewhat unavoidable; this IS a hugely important rl thing for me and IS my priority. If I had my way I wouldn't be posting content tonight, but given deadline's proximity and that I'm nearing prod range I feel obligated to since I very much have zero desire to be replaced.

(Btw pagetopping this. I'm still trying to keep up with the game, but if you expect lucidity, you're not going to get it. I almost typed "AGar feels superficially different from last game in spite of the superficial similarities" before I realized that was a tiredposting mistake and fixed the sentence; expect similar tiredposting slipups in phrasing for the rest of tonight and for me to be utterly unable to voice anything resembling true reasons. Beyond the normal levels for me. Like I said: I am really, really tired; sleeping isn't working in keeping me lucid. I just have no choice because of prod timers and deadline but to try in spite of my tiredness.)

[mastina]

Vote Count 1.19

Ythan

(8):

OkaPoka

, Luca Blight, Dannflor, Cephrir,

Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, AGar

, innocentvillager

Lady Lambdadelta

(5): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Ythan, jjh927

DrippingGoofball

(2): Dunnstral, Bell

Bell

(1): Winter Flakes

AGar

(1): Hopkirk

Not Voting

(1): Almost50

My problem with the Ythan wagon: who're his scumbuddies?

If you believe that the DGB/Xtoxm/mastina core is all town, who's left to be Ythan's scumbuddies?
jjh? I townread him pretty strongly.
Dunnstral? Plausible except I townread him.
Bell? Plausible I suppose.
Winter Flakes? Plausible but I townread him.
Hopkirk? Absolutely not, he's locktown.
Almost50? Almost certainly not, as he's strongly town.

For the Ythan wagon to be pure or mostly pure tho, you have to believe 2-3 of those names above are scum.

Sure, 1 of them is possible, albeit I'd argue not very probable, with 'plausible' being the best for some.
But 2? Far less likely.
3? Almost certainly not.

So the Ythan wagon reeks of having at least one, if not multiple, scum on it.

It should say something that

literally all four of my scumreads

are on the wagon.
Three of them having joined back to back to back with the wagon basically forming overnight.

If y'all don't realize the issue with that, you're basically blind and/or delusional.

While Ythan could be scum (I get it, I really do, I'm right there with you with seeing the scum aspects of his play), the fact that I scumread literally half of the people on the wagon makes me doubt he'll actually flip scum. And if he does, he was heavily bussed.

[mastina]

I'd actually be very happy to vote Titus too if someone suddenly has a compelling town case for Ythan

-Who're Ythan's scumbuddies?
-The Ythan wagon is a literal example of an overnight wagon. While it had votes before, it exploded in size literally overnight.
-The Ythan wagon is a counterwagon to the LLD wagon; the fact that all four of my scumreads voted on it, three of them back to back, makes the wagon composition highly suspect.
-The Ythan wagon reeks of being an end of day compromise, where nobody townreads him. But because literally nobody townreads him, that means he isn't being defended by scumbuddies.
-Because he isn't being defended by scumbuddies, the choices are: either apathetic scum (admittedly, possible given the players off his wagon and not on LLD), bussing-scum (admittedly, possible given the number of scumreads on the wagon), or not-scum.

Is this a particularly compelling towncase for Ythan given we're near end of day and flash-wagons form on players regardless of those players' alignments, scum in the last 1-2 years are usually apathetic and rarely strongly defend their scumbuddies anymore, and that Ythan's play is something I find impossible to defend so scum may also find impossible to defend? Probably not, but it should at least give you some pause to think it over.

[mastina]

don't see why the reaction to ythan's AtE spew is to wagon titus, if anything its time to bag and tag ythan. he's not really doing anything but AtE, like complaining about day length and then voting me, criticizing iv's quixotic attempt to reach out for him, i mean like cmon

For the record the fact that both AGar (scumread #3) and OkaPoka (scumread #4) are leaping to the defense of Titus (scumread #2) does bolster my confidence in my D1 solve.

(For a refresher, that's LLD-Titus-AGar-OkaPoka.)

If so much as half of those reads are right, I feel like I've earned my redemption from last game.

[mastina]

Who has *very different* vibes from last game?

Titus from the onset. Seriously, read her posts last game where she was town and see if her posts this game have the same energy to them, the same tone to them. (Hint: they don't, on every level.)

OkaPoka overall.

AGar, the more and more I see.

the worst, altho I legit feel his replace-out may be a factor in this (that is, that worstie's rl stuff was what made him be different this game ultimately leading to his decision to replace out).

Cephrir, but in this case in a good way given he was scum last game.
hercule (now Luca), but ditto, given he was scum last game.
Xtoxm, also ditto, given he was scum last game.

I do admit that Ythan is also on that list tho. I just don't think he's scum given the nature of the wagon on him; it reeks of being scumdriven.

Your vote on him, IV's vote on him, and Cephrir's vote on him look town. The rest? Not so much. (Luca's is nullish tho I townread the slot.)

[mastina]

Ythan reaching 8 votes (E-2) then collapsing is a bad sign IMHO. If he was Town I think Scum would have been more inclined to at least get him to claim before they moved on.

This only works if you believe the people who voted IV but hopped off were scum tho:

Vote Count 1.19

Ythan

(8): OkaPoka, Luca Blight, Dannflor, Cephrir, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, AGar, innocentvillager

Vote Count 1.20

Ythan

(5): OkaPoka, Luca Blight, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, AGar

Do you believe that Dannflor, Cephrir, and/or innocentvillager are scum? Because those are the three who hopped off.

I do not believe that.

Ergo, if scum did indeed hop onto the Ythan wagon (which I strongly believe they did), they...are currently

still

on the Ythan wagon.

"Coincidentally", all four of my scumreads remain on that wagon.

I wonder why?

[Dunnstral]

My thoughts:

I like Dannflor's posts. I don't know if he posts in a way that I'd find different if he were scum. He feels good

Cephrir feels ok. Last game I was actually suspicious of him but didn't like how the wagon was forming around what seemed to be his thoughts of Mastina, this game I'm not really, except that he sometimes reverts to feeling unhelpful sometimes

Okapoka, I don't think he's that bad this game, or that different. He's just not as towny this go around which raises some eyebrows

Agar is towny, people just don't like his playstyle/posting style. Most people probably skim past his posts.

This feels like town Mastina due to the amount of energy she's able to put into whatever she is doing here, and she somehow feels different when she's scum, like she's acting in bad faith rather than just being tunneled

Xtoxm feels tonally different from the last game to a degree where they feel town this time. I think their push on lld is questionable given the reasons they laid out being, in my opinion, bad, especially when they showed they're able to case someone

The way Innocent Villager is treating me is weird. I thought they were fine but writing this out I think most of their posting is nullish and they deserve more scrutiny.

Hopkirk, I don't really know, one of my teammates thinks he's town. I don't find the case against him convincing, which leaves him at null but not towny

Winter Flakes is indeed blending into the background, and I'm also forgetting that they're in this game. I feel like last game they were a lot more involved.

Titus goes between towny and scummy. I like some of her posts, tonally, others not so much.

Ythan should probably get more scrutiny from me, he isn't doing anything, he's capable of doing stuff, he's being unhelpful for some reason. I don't have strong feelings about this flipping scum.

LLD - I think the case against them is garbage, which has been brought up several times but plowed through. I don't find them particularly towny though. I'm trying to work with them here. DGB is easily the scummier of the two which is why I'm not voting on LLD.

DGB is really scummy and different from last game. Numerous people have listed them as a strong townread but I don't think that has ever been well substantiated beyond LLD being scum (what if LLD isn't scum?). Why can't DGB and LLD both be scum anyway? That feels more likely that just LLD being scum to me

Luca Blight - Hercule was alright, I think. I don't have an opinion on what Luca has done

Bell - Predecessor felt kind of scummy, Bell feels kind of scummy

jjh927 isn't doing much, but at least he can point back to posts and his train of thought can be followed.

Almost50 is vaguely towny but I don't remember anything he's posted int he last week or so.

[mastina]

"Coincidentally", all four of my scumreads remain on that wagon.

(Yes, I am aware both that the statistical chance of catching all four scum on D1 is just about as equal as the statistical chance in today's apathetic-scum meta of all four scum being on one counterwagon. Which is to say, statistically speaking, generally, not probable and even not plausible. However,
1: In this specific game, given the dominant wagons on LLD and now Titus, I believe that scum have enough pull where they don't want to lose a member on D1 and would resort to drastic measures such as mutually defending each other and mutually voting together in the hopes of one of them not going down, and,
2: Even if not all four are scum, I guarantee you that 2-3 of them

are

. So while I personally think all four are scum right now, it's fully possible there's 1 town in them, maybe maybe MAYBE even two. But there's still 2-4 scum in those four, so I feel like my point still holds. Scum don't want a D1 scum elimination here and are actively working to avoid one from happening.)

[mastina]

"Coincidentally", all four of my scumreads remain on that wagon.

(Yes, I am aware both that the statistical chance of catching all four scum on D1 is just about as equal as the statistical chance in today's apathetic-scum meta of all four scum being on one counterwagon. Which is to say, statistically speaking, generally, not probable and even not plausible. However,
1: In this specific game, given the dominant wagons on LLD and now Titus, I believe that scum have enough pull where they don't want to lose a member on D1 and would resort to drastic measures such as mutually defending each other and mutually voting together in the hopes of one of them not going down, and,
2: Even if not all four are scum, I guarantee you that 2-3 of them

are

. So while I personally think all four are scum right now, it's fully possible there's 1 town in them, maybe maybe MAYBE even two. But there's still 2-4 scum in those four, so I feel like my point still holds. Scum don't want a D1 scum elimination here and are actively working to avoid one from happening.)

Oh I forgot 3: If Titus is scum, being a VCA master herself, she would actively work to subvert VCA, and thus, WOULD pull stunts like "all scum voting on a wagon" to fool people who do VCA.

[Bell]

For cephrir yeah,
too many posts 'not giving a shit because I rolled town this game'
and I hate mastina posting posts.

It just feels like someone grasping at something to talk about and deciding to present themselves a certain way.

I'm not really vibing with this.

I get what you're saying, but it feels like an insignificant thing to push an elim for at this stage. Ceph's posting has generally felt Townie to me.

It's day 1. There's not a lot that's really obviously significant until later.

Which posts by Cephrir have felt townie to you?

Mastina's string of recent posts and earlier really have what was missing from

*mumbles*

I remain comfortable with TRing her and putting her out of consideration for the day phase.
I will not be sheeping her though as I have witnessed her lead wagons twice day 1 and both were on town. A lot of her recent analysis feels pretty extraneous and only helpful if a number of her assumptions are correct. Which is great because it makes her seem townie but feels like a lost cause when it comes to accuracy.

[innocentvillager]

Vote Count 1.19

Ythan

(8):

OkaPoka

, Luca Blight, Dannflor, Cephrir,

Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, AGar

, innocentvillager

Lady Lambdadelta

(5): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Ythan, jjh927

DrippingGoofball

(2): Dunnstral, Bell

Bell

(1): Winter Flakes

AGar

(1): Hopkirk

Not Voting

(1): Almost50

My problem with the Ythan wagon: who're his scumbuddies?

If you believe that the DGB/Xtoxm/mastina core is all town, who's left to be Ythan's scumbuddies?
jjh? I townread him pretty strongly.
Dunnstral? Plausible except I townread him.
Bell? Plausible I suppose.
Winter Flakes? Plausible but I townread him.
Hopkirk? Absolutely not, he's locktown.
Almost50? Almost certainly not, as he's strongly town.

For the Ythan wagon to be pure or mostly pure tho, you have to believe 2-3 of those names above are scum.

Sure, 1 of them is possible, albeit I'd argue not very probable, with 'plausible' being the best for some.
But 2? Far less likely.
3? Almost certainly not.

So the Ythan wagon reeks of having at least one, if not multiple, scum on it.

It should say something that

literally all four of my scumreads

are on the wagon.
Three of them having joined back to back to back with the wagon basically forming overnight.

If y'all don't realize the issue with that, you're basically blind and/or delusional.

While Ythan could be scum (I get it, I really do, I'm right there with you with seeing the scum aspects of his play), the fact that I scumread literally half of the people on the wagon makes me doubt he'll actually flip scum. And if he does, he was heavily bussed.

assuming your reads as fact and then writing this unfortunately doesn't do much for us, but if it helps you get thoughts out and organized that's great

For cephrir yeah,
too many posts 'not giving a shit because I rolled town this game'
and I hate mastina posting posts.

It just feels like someone grasping at something to talk about and deciding to present themselves a certain way.

I'm not really vibing with this.

I get what you're saying, but it feels like an insignificant thing to push an elim for at this stage. Ceph's posting has generally felt Townie to me.

@Bell I am willing to reconsider ceph another day but today is not the day to wagon Cephrir. This isn't really strong enough imo bc he can do all this as town too (although, tbf that IS what pinged me initially too), but more importantly not many people will want to join this late

The way Innocent Villager is treating me is weird. I thought they were fine but writing this out I think most of their posting is nullish and they deserve more scrutiny.

elaborate about my "weird" treatment of you? is it just the fact that you're in my PoE and im very unsure on you?

[OkaPoka]

ill have to take a deeper look at my catchup later but i got pinged on discord to do a quick thingy:

don't see why the reaction to ythan's AtE spew is to wagon titus, if anything its time to bag and tag ythan. he's not really doing anything but AtE, like complaining about day length and then voting me, criticizing iv's quixotic attempt to reach out for him, i mean like cmon

he's just whining and whining and why is this scummy?

he's whining and not doing anything about it, honestly i think he's just flailing and minimzing damage by minimizing possible associatives. there isn't any attempt to say this is who i townread and this is who i scumread here are some reasons, no i dislike x because y for reasons z, it's just vague general angryposts that mean nothing

okay in depth catchup plus responses to stuff pointed at me later

one more try

ythan clearly wants to give off the sense that he's done with this game/phase

so if he wants to end this day why is he voting me? leaving an LLD wagon to start anew on me is not how you end this day.

if he's tired with this phase why is he being such pos about answering questions or engaging with anyone, clearly he has enough willpower to sarcastically respond to any posts directed his way, if you're just tired and don't want to read or do anything, you'd probably hit that lurk button and disappear. its just insults man. all the way down. he's got no right to reject questions because he literally does not have enough content, questions are shit because there isn't much to ask. look at his iso

anyways put 2 and 2 together and you realize that he's either scum just flailing around, minimizing associatives by not engaging with this game meaningful or town that's happening to make himself unreadable. am i hedging my bets? yes

is his blowup genuine or false? i don't know enough about ythan to answer that and tbh i dont care

and for the comparison to last game, he had a viewpoint he was trying to push and just being incredibly obtuse about it. his viewpoint being xtoxm = town. but the key is the obtuseness is what pissed me off.

he's not being obtuse this game, he's actively being an ass for the sake of being an ass because last game he was an ass so he can still be an ass

bag n tag please

@bell

[OkaPoka]

mastina, who the fuck is going to defend a scumbuddy in ythan

We just came out of a game where scum double bussed xtoxm and the best they could do to defend xtoxm was to tmi him as town and eat the pressure onto another. No hard defense, a throwaway tmi

In fact the only reason why xtoxm lived was 3 people tming him town, two townies and 1 scum

You cant honestly think that ythan would be hard defended by scum as scum, esp after just witnessing last game

[innocentvillager]

i want to address oka's Ythan push because I think it is totally reasonable and I think it gives me more confidence in my Oka townlean, and I think I am slightly more okay with wagoning Ythan after writing this response but I would do so begrudgingly. on another note, we really have to start moving if we want a claim and enough time to potentially switch onto someone else

don't see why the reaction to ythan's AtE spew is to wagon titus, if anything its time to bag and tag ythan. he's not really doing anything but AtE, like complaining about day length and then voting me, criticizing iv's quixotic attempt to reach out for him, i mean like cmon

he's just whining and whining and why is this scummy?

he's whining and not doing anything about it

it's not helpful, ill give you that, but... is it scum? i'm not expecting a player with Ythan's personality to be helpful when being compromise lol-wagoned at this point as either alignment

, honestly i think he's just flailing and minimzing damage by minimizing possible associatives.

scum!Ythan AtE flailing could absolutely be a thing. But that's all it would be imo, I don't really buy the minimizing possible associatives part because a) I don't think he is that invested in his future scumteam's wincon given his posting b) what would anything he posts on other people really tell us other than more wifom at this stage, and do you really think Ythan would be concerned about something like that?

there isn't any attempt to say this is who i townread and this is who i scumread here are some reasons, no i dislike x because y for reasons z, it's just vague general angryposts that mean nothing

insert same not helpful =/= scum post here

also i like titus and would rather her see lylo than ythan and titus is more likely to eat a bullet if she's town eventually so there is that argument if you are into that

maybe but like, there's a lot of suspicion on Titus and lylo afaik is like a little too far away for me to care rn about what happens then

this is also a reason to leave like every PR claim alone (bad blanket strategy, imo), but even then I'd rather leave alone a PR than a nebulous player who could be a strong town player later

one more try

ythan clearly wants to give off the sense that he's done with this game/phase

so if he wants to end this day why is he voting me? leaving an LLD wagon to start anew on me is not how you end this day.

if he's tired with this phase why is he being such pos about answering questions or engaging with anyone, clearly he has enough willpower to sarcastically respond to any posts directed his way, if you're just tired and don't want to read or do anything, you'd probably hit that lurk button and disappear. its just insults man. all the way down. he's got no right to reject questions because he literally does not have enough content, questions are shit because there isn't much to ask. look at his iso

i think this is your strongest point but im not sure it sways me over the edge

regarding the vote, that is a little weird? maybe he's just emotionally throwing it around and really doesn't care where it is? i would call this +"Ythan isn't actually tired of this game" equity

regarding why he's actively in thread and throwing around one-liner insults at people who try to engage him despite being "tired", i can kind of see that from a town!perspective too? like, i feel like i could totally be tired with a game but still be around and hyperpost/shitpost/do whatever i want, etc, just don't expect any actual substantive efforting or reading from me. Ythan is kind of doing that, except replace shitpost with sarcastic angeryposting or whatever you wanna call it lol. i don't need willpower to shitpost, he doesn't need willpower to sarcastic-post.

anyways put 2 and 2 together and you realize that he's either scum just flailing around, minimizing associatives by not engaging with this game meaningful or town that's happening to make himself unreadable. am i hedging my bets? yes

agree here but take out the "minimizing associatives" part and i do think he is gradually, maybe, getting more readable

is his blowup genuine or false? i don't know enough about ythan to answer that and tbh i dont care

lol this kind of made me TL you more but i do feel like this kind of an important distinction to make though?

and now that I think about it more, I think you are kind of implicitly saying his blowup is false when you argue that Ythan is not "purely tired of this game". Like, imagine if you thought his blowup was genuine? which would imply Ythan is sick and tired of this game? which would also kind of nullify most of the other points you made about him?

like i think there are a few distinct possibilities:

1) scum!Ythan is lolcatting and AtE shitting for fun,

blowup was fake

2) scum!Ythan is very strategically AtEing in order to shake off the wagon,

blowup was fake

3) scum!Ythan is tired of this game, and just wants it to end and so he's spewing whatever he wants,

blowup was real

4) town!Ythan is tired of this game,

blowup was real

if this isn't really an accurate framing of the possibilities feel free to let me know

based on your arguments, i feel like you think it's either 1 or 2, if you thought 3 was a possibility it would have nullified some of the points you tried to make about scum!Ythan being tired of this game

i think the blowup was real, so i think it's more likely to be 3 or 4

and for the comparison to last game, he had a viewpoint he was trying to push and just being incredibly obtuse about it. his viewpoint being xtoxm = town. but the key is the obtuseness is what pissed me off.

he's not being obtuse this game, he's actively being an ass for the sake of being an ass because last game he was an ass so he can still be an ass

bag n tag please

this is fair and i believe the reason dannflor initially pushed him

different from previous towngame =/= scum though (maybe it's slightly scum-indicative? but maybe not??) and it is plausible under the narrative that Ythan has stopped caring as this game has dragged on and is apathetic town

[innocentvillager]

if LLD is town I think there’s a good chance some scum are TMI-TRing her and that kind of lead to some Cephrir/AGar pocket equity (oh look, of the 4 low content slots LLD was asked to give thoughts on, she townread Titus and AGar and both of them called LLD town at that point)

circumstantial ikik

brb gonna spend all my energy pocketing someone who's going to be dead today

deep value

I am going to be dead today?

Really?

yeah...Cephrir? isn't the Ythan compromise-wagon like, rising faster than the stale LLD wagon and you're voting Ythan? and at no point did we ever even get LLD into claiming range? kind of a strange defense

ceph can you address this when you get a chance? don't want to detour too much but i feel like this shouldn't take long

[OkaPoka]

i think you minimize associatives as scum if u don't care
like as scum if you die its entirely your fault, even if you don't care, at the very least you'd cut your losses and eat the flip without sabotaging your teammates game. its just bad form to sabotage your teammates, so if you don't have a real gameplan to get out you might as well make your flip as minimal in impact as possible

plus easiest way out is to minimize associatives, wifom game is a dangerous game because there is the possibility wifom can be theoretically read into. just minimizing interactions to a few people and doing nothing proactive is the easy and safe play for scum, especially if you don't want to effort into trying to deepwolf etc.

sure not helpful =/= scum. i can concede that. but he's being annoying about it and honestly with how he's just labelling others, he thinks we are bad for even daring to interact with him when he's done nothing proactive? like cmon. this isn't assassins in the palace.

him voting me is meant to be emotional i agree. it doesn't line up with his stated desires.

the town perspective of him angry posting while having done nothing is the perspective of him just wanting to make this game not fun. in which case i hedge my bets anyways and bye.

maybe you can analyze whether ythan's blowup is genuine or not. im just not going to, its really not worth it and ive been burned for it. i literally do not know enough about ythan to go speculate on that. is it important? sure. but im not going to go there because i don't know and the punishment for being wrong on that is a lot more than the reward.

im just arguing that if ythan is tired of the game as town, he wouldn't have still been engaged to this game and wouldn't have voted me either. he's obviously engaged to this game, he's being super AtE about it when he's done nothing important. /shrug it doesn't line up

anyways ythan wants us to think he doesn't care but he clearly does. he's worse than the people who don't do anything, he's actively resisting the idea of doing anything and is being a prick about it. like nothing about it makes sense, at this point why are you playing mafia. nobody forced you to play. this is a game.

and yes townies don't make sense on happenstance but this is just actively being ???????. like you want to not make sense on purpose. i think that's scum indicative.

[Titus]

The sudden chainsaw wagon on me is also very indicative of scum defending a partner.

Mastina A50 TWslot plus one on my wagon plus Ythan

[Titus]

I think that's one too many, so I may have a townbeard in my SRs

[AGar]

Ythan's wagon shifting so suddenly to Titus with no resistance and no real actual reasoning other than the vibes brigade restarting their shenanigans should be fucking warning sirens for anyone and everyone.

[innocentvillager]

@DGB

can you ask SirCakez to give his take on AGar?

[Cephrir]

if LLD is town I think there’s a good chance some scum are TMI-TRing her and that kind of lead to some Cephrir/AGar pocket equity (oh look, of the 4 low content slots LLD was asked to give thoughts on, she townread Titus and AGar and both of them called LLD town at that point)

circumstantial ikik

brb gonna spend all my energy pocketing someone who's going to be dead today

deep value

I am going to be dead today?

Really?

yeah...Cephrir? isn't the Ythan compromise-wagon like, rising faster than the stale LLD wagon and you're voting Ythan? and at no point did we ever even get LLD into claiming range? kind of a strange defense

ceph can you address this when you get a chance? don't want to detour too much but i feel like this shouldn't take long

Felt inevitable as votes have been sticking to her all day no matter what alternative is presented

[Cephrir]

Ythan's wagon shifting so suddenly to Titus with no resistance and no real actual reasoning other than the vibes brigade restarting their shenanigans should be fucking warning sirens for anyone and everyone.

No resistance? Not sure about that.

But resistance is fake anyway so eh

[Cephrir]

i keep trying to convince myself to see scum in the places i want to see it, but there's still only one place i can really go and feel like, yeah, i'm voting scum

VOTE: DGB

[AGar]

Ythan's wagon shifting so suddenly to Titus with no resistance and no real actual reasoning other than the vibes brigade restarting their shenanigans should be fucking warning sirens for anyone and everyone.

No resistance? Not sure about that.

But resistance is fake anyway so eh

Resistance was the wrong word, yeah.

But we went from Ythan 8 to Titus 4 in a page with nothing revelatory from Ythan and it was just a naked vote where y'all just seamlessly moved. Big dislike.