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[Ythan]

VOTE: lld

[implosion]

21

The atomic number of scandium.
It is very often the day of the solstices in both June and December, though the precise date varies by year.[12]

Vote Count 1.21

Ythan

(5): OkaPoka, Luca Blight, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, AGar

Lady Lambdadelta

(5): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Hopkirk, Ythan

Titus

(3): Dannflor, jjh927, innocentvillager

DrippingGoofball

(2): Dunnstral, Cephrir

Bell

(1): Winter Flakes

Cephrir

(1): Bell

Not Voting

(1): Almost50

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).

[Ythan]

Ahem

[Ythan]

VOTE: lld

Mod

Fixed.

[Ythan]

Tyty

[AGar]

Ythan, where are you falling on IV?

[Ythan]

IV is pretty null. Ended up basically at the bottom of my null reads but in the middle of the pack exact positioning doesn't mean much for me.

[AGar]

Nothing gleaned from the terse exchanges yesterday?

[Ythan]

Do you think I'm going to change my answer when you ask that or what.

[innocentvillager]

i think you minimize associatives as scum if u don't care
like as scum if you die its entirely your fault, even if you don't care, at the very least you'd cut your losses and eat the flip without sabotaging your teammates game. its just bad form to sabotage your teammates, so if you don't have a real gameplan to get out you might as well make your flip as minimal in impact as possible

plus easiest way out is to minimize associatives, wifom game is a dangerous game because there is the possibility wifom can be theoretically read into. just minimizing interactions to a few people and doing nothing proactive is the easy and safe play for scum, especially if you don't want to effort into trying to deepwolf etc.

okay sure, i can accept that this is a possibility. for me it's not really an additional point in his favor, just like, an afterthought to this scum!Ythan theory

sure not helpful =/= scum. i can concede that. but he's being annoying about it and honestly with how he's just labelling others, he thinks we are bad for even daring to interact with him when he's done nothing proactive? like cmon. this isn't assassins in the palace.

him voting me is meant to be emotional i agree. it doesn't line up with his stated desires.

the town perspective of him angry posting while having done nothing is the perspective of him just wanting to make this game not fun. in which case i hedge my bets anyways and bye.

i feel

maybe you can analyze whether ythan's blowup is genuine or not. im just not going to, its really not worth it and ive been burned for it. i literally do not know enough about ythan to go speculate on that. is it important? sure. but im not going to go there because i don't know and the punishment for being wrong on that is a lot more than the reward.

okay, we can drop the whole blowup thing specifically. do you agree with my 4 main scenarios though minus the blowup part? for me personally, i just like to lay out all the different possibilities so it's more clear to me which ythan narrative we are arguing for or against. but if you don't vibe with this kind of thought process, that's fine

im just arguing that if ythan is tired of the game as town, he wouldn't have still been engaged to this game and wouldn't have voted me either. he's obviously engaged to this game, he's being super AtE about it when he's done nothing important. /shrug it doesn't line up

anyways ythan wants us to think he doesn't care but he clearly does. he's worse than the people who don't do anything, he's actively resisting the idea of doing anything and is being a prick about it. like nothing about it makes sense, at this point why are you playing mafia. nobody forced you to play. this is a game.

and yes townies don't make sense on happenstance but this is just actively being ???????. like you want to not make sense on purpose. i think that's scum indicative.

okay i think this is the part i want to solidify a little bit more

your argument is:

(1) ythan voted you, and is actively posting/being antagonistic
(2) ythan is obviously engaged [lately, since wagon]
(3) ythan cares about this game
(4a) ythan is not tired of this game [which means his "blowup" was fake, but that's not important anymore]
(4b) ythan has been deliberately lying about not caring about the game
(5) ythan is not town

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(1) is pretty objectively truly imo
(1) => (2) I think (2) reasonably follows from (1).
(2) => (3) This I don't know I necessarily agree with. Specifically the point I made here would be my response (what did you think of that?)

regarding why he's actively in thread and throwing around one-liner insults at people who try to engage him despite being "tired", i can kind of see that from a town!perspective too? like, i feel like i could totally be tired with a game but still be around and hyperpost/shitpost/do whatever i want, etc, just don't expect any actual substantive efforting or reading from me. Ythan is kind of doing that, except replace shitpost with sarcastic angeryposting or whatever you wanna call it lol. i don't need willpower to shitpost, he doesn't need willpower to sarcastic-post.

(3) => (4a) i guess it depends on when Ythan cared? i can buy that Ythan cared less and less over time and at this point he doesn't care. but sure I can mostly accept this one
(3) => (4b) ehhh, i can still see a town!Ythan world where he wants to come off as this 5d genius who's just trolling and playing us all for fools and is denying that he ever cared when there is a part of him that does. not gonna psychoanalyze too much but it's possible this is mostly true.
(4a) => (5) think this clearly follows
(4b) => (5) think this clearly follows

i think if you can convince me of either (4a) or (4b) im all set to vote Ythan, but right now the main thing stopping me is (2) => (3) and a little bit of (3) => (4a) or (4b)

[Cephrir]

logic is so hot tbh

[AGar]

Do you think I'm going to change my answer when you ask that or what.

It would give me insight into if anything moved yesterday for you, considering you were throwing some hefty shade on why he was asking you the questions he was asking. I realize he's null now. Trying to figure out if he was null before and follow thought processes.

[Ythan]

It seems plausible in retrospect that you were reaction fishing and not asking those questions for their own sake.

We'll see about that when I'm sober.

I sober endorse this post. He gets no scum points for yesterday.

[AGar]

Got it.

[jjh927]

VOTE: LLD

[innocentvillager]

JJ why the switch off Titus and onto LLD?

[Cephrir]

titus is over. come vote scum with me.

[jjh927]

JJ why the switch off Titus and onto LLD?

Because the LLD wagon is bigger and if I've changed my vote once already then I can change it again

[Cephrir]

nonsense, changing votes is not allowed and i would never do it

[AGar]

titus is over. come vote scum with me.

Compelling.

[Cephrir]

it seems to work when other people do it. i just need to badger everyone loudly for 10 pages to get it done, but i don't want to embarrass myself like that.

[Ythan]

Drink you'll stop caring

[Cephrir]

if i stopped caring i'd be voting you

[Ythan]

Alcohol is poison

[innocentvillager]

I guess titus isn’t happening today unless I case her

I don’t know if I have the energy to either, plus I’m bad at writing cases

meh