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[Marky Mark]

Fidgit's not been online since Sunday so while I agree they've done some scummy stuff, I'm not sure how much we will get out of having this discussion in their absence compared to, say, a wagon on someone who is going to answer back.

[GreyICE]

I don't follow the theory that Not Known is town because they called a flavour massclaim scummy. SRing people who suggest massclaims is pretty standard and I can't speak for other slots, but I certainly wasn't thinking in terms of any 3rd party angles at the time, so the lack of mention of one isn't a big deal IMO

It's the whys and the hows of third party hunting vs. scumhunting. Also known as "the strange obsession with finding werewolf-scum".

But this circles back to your very superficial involvement with the game. Not only do you not understand this, you don't seem to have made an effort to understand this. Like you don't understand what I'm saying, and you don't seem to care. Not to put too fine a point on it, my join date isn't for show and I'm not awful at this game. Yet you don't even seem curious about why I might think something.

[Marky Mark]

Lol, are you always this abrasive?

[Marky Mark]

Yet you don't even seem curious about why I might think something.

That's why I said I don't follow the theory -> I was kinda expecting you to reply

[Marky Mark]

I haven't played that many games but finding third party doesn't tend to be something that's at the forefront of my mind (I'm not saying this is a good thing!), so I am willing to believe other players

might

behave in a similar way, making the lack of mention of one in NK's post not that much of a big deal

[Marky Mark]

Incidentally, I'm an interesting choice to cherry-pick for "superficial involvement" when you consider much of the plist. You are right tho, I can be somewhat narrative at times, especially when playing catchup

[GreyICE]

Lol, are you always this abrasive?

Oh god no. I'm super chill nowadays.

Wouldn't mind having a genuine discussion about things with you though, seeing your thought process.

PEdit:

Scum are trying to mimic basic scumhunting, yes? Also, scum tend to make posts as genuine and honest as possible to mimic their town selves, therefore most scum who attempt to post scumhunting are engaging in scumhunting - something they have far more experience with than playing as town. As you said, rolefishing is a really scummy thing for town to do. Now if NK15 is mafia, he'd know if Vax was mafia. Lets say NK is mafia, and Vax is not-mafia, and he notes that Vax is rolefishing, which is something scum do. How could Vax be scum and yet not be mafia?

[Marky Mark]

Yeah, scum are trying to mimic scumhunting, so NK!scum calling Vax!whatever out for rolefishing makes sense.

You're right that potentially NK could in that situation be actively looking for third party, although if he was that doesn't necessarily mean he'd say that out loud as specifically mentioning 3rd party rather than generic 'scum' might make people think he was mafia.

A very simple explanation is that scum!NK saw town!Vax doing somthing scummy and thought "aha, easy push opportunity here on a town slot", without really thinking much through the third party angle. As a player with ~6 games experience, that is 100% what I would do there as scum.

I hope that kinda makes sense?

[Marky Mark]

Vaxkiller is either town disrupting town by making all these silly posts ... or scum trying to disrupt town by making these posts. I don't know which yet but they need to stop.
But they might be scum for suggesting a flavor massclaim.

This is the quote in question, to save people having to dig it out

[GreyICE]

Yeah, scum are trying to mimic scumhunting, so NK!scum calling Vax!whatever out for rolefishing makes sense.

You're right that potentially NK could in that situation be actively looking for third party, although if he was that doesn't necessarily mean he'd say that out loud as specifically mentioning 3rd party rather than generic 'scum' might make people think he was mafia.

A very simple explanation is that scum!NK saw town!Vax doing somthing scummy and thought "aha, easy push opportunity here on a town slot", without really thinking much through the third party angle. As a player with ~6 games experience, that is 100% what I would do there as scum.

I hope that kinda makes sense?

NK15 has been on site for four years and has, glancing at his posted threads list, been in 30 mafia games at a bare minimum (https://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php? ... &sr=topics). I'm pretty sure he's past the stage of scum where he's a deer in the headlights praying for nightfall.

I do think NK15 posted that Vax was scummy for role hunting without considering if he was mafia or third party. And that's because he doesn't care, and that's because he's town.

Now engaging that deeper conversation we were talking about, what do you think Vax's motives are for role hunting? Do you think they're town motives, or scum motives, what do you think his drive is with this?

[Vaxkiller]

Why is flavor hunting getting mixed up with role hunting. You WILL KNOW when im hunting for roles, because i saw, I want to know your role.

@Math, tell me your role.

Also I really like mark's 482. You get a town hat for the day. Use it wisely. I forget who had it last, may need washed.

[Vaxkiller]

Why is flavor hunting getting mixed up with role hunting. You WILL KNOW when im hunting for roles, because i saw, I want to know your role.

@Math, tell me your role.

lol i meant grey.

Also I really like mark's 482. You get a town hat for the day. Use it wisely. I forget who had it last, may need washed.

[MathBlade]

But why not today?

A couple of things
1) Grey is one of those people that can be BoP’d.
2) Grey says he’s more chill now and I should probably give him a chance first. I’ve just known him to be abrasive and it was kinda dickish of me to assume he still is when I haven’t played with him for a year+.

So I think the read will have a way to sort itself out.

Pedit:
Uhm no? That’s a good way to destroy what I got going on. You have part of my flavor and I am not vanilla. Deal

[Vaxkiller]

I do think NK15 posted that Vax was scummy for role hunting without considering if he was mafia or third party. And that's because he doesn't care, and that's because he's town.

Who mentioned 3rd party? NK15?

I don't get why NK15 couldn't say that as mafia or town.

[Vaxkiller]

I meant grey. I want his role.

[Vaxkiller]

BoP'd?

[MathBlade]

I meant grey. I want his role.

Uhm again? No.

Mass claim on D1 is stupid and if you want his role scum case him and get a wagon going?

My townread of you is hitting the shitter

[MathBlade]

Burden of Proficiency Grey is good when he is town.

[MathBlade]

Don’t get me wrong I think Grey could be scum
And if you’re town this is entirely the wrong way to get him elimmed.

[Vaxkiller]

Also, I have nothing against grey. I get you havent played with them in a while, and that's cool you want to give them a chance, I just think they are flipping scum here.

[GreyICE]

I understand that "god of town" and "13 inch penis" are things that inspire envy and covetousness in those that witness them. You can have your gravedigger try to pluck them from my cold, dead corpse after you night kill me. But you'll find that at least half of that is natural, god given talent and Gamma had nothing to do with it.

[Vaxkiller]

I meant grey. I want his role.

Uhm again? No.

Mass claim on D1 is stupid and if you want his role scum case him and get a wagon going?

My townread of you is hitting the shitter

Cause we disagree? Lol. I'm not worried about you town-reading me.

I don't want a mass claim, but I believe grey claiming would benefit us.

Porkens said claiming thier flavor would reveal thier role, grey comes in talking about facism. I mention the previous part, and they stop talking about facism.

[Vaxkiller]

Don’t get me wrong I think Grey could be scum
And if you’re town this is entirely the wrong way to get him elimmed.

I only know my way. I can only tell everyone the way I see things. I'm not trying to get grey elimmed, I'm looking for scum and I believe grey is scum.

Your confusing me dude, Am I being an asshole or something here?

[Vaxkiller]

I meant grey. I want his role.

Uhm again? No.

Mass claim on D1 is stupid and if you want his role scum case him and get a wagon going?

My townread of you is hitting the shitter

Like I'm just one person giving one opinion, and this just seems like to me, you think I'm changing the course of the day.

Maybe _I'M_ just blowing this out of proportion. I dunno.

[MathBlade]

I can’t focus on that while I am at work but I have a working theory of Grey is scum that is bad to share openly.

I don’t think Grey claiming would be fruitful if he is.

Man I wish I could just like send a message.