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[Luca Blight]

I’ve just arrived home so give me a minute and I’ll find some examples of me hammering like that as Town.

[Lunar Martian]

Lunar, you should know that’s BS given you’ve read less carefully than anyone this game, to the point you didn’t even know Joq was conftown.

Scum are way more careful than Town around votes and hammers.

First of all, I do read I just don't pay much attention to claims generally. Second, look at other supposed conftowns this game.

[Luca Blight]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11195300

Here's an example where I suddenly hammered D1, right after the player had fake-claimed.

[Luca Blight]

This flipped scum, but had it flipped Town then that would have been considered way worse than the hammer in this game, which really made no difference whatsoever to the outcome.

[Luca Blight]

The fact that Gamma, one of the most experienced players on this site and who has thrown any piece of mud he can find my way, isn't even arguing that the hammer was scummy should be a clue that it isn't scum-indicative.

[Luca Blight]

In the game I just finished with Gamma I also hammered without leaving intent

From my perspective it pretty much has to be Hayker/BBMolla.

VOTE: Hayker

[Luca Blight]

And if you want to see a sudden hammer that actually was scum-indicative, then look at this one from Gamma:

I moreso meant his comparison of ours and why it caused us to conflict
but I think your post I quoted might explain it just as well, and I'm willing to go with that

VOTE: bugspray
I don't recall anyone else having a reason to wait to end the day

Ejj had just said that I had no chance of being eliminated but they were going to case me, and Gamma comes straight in and hammers. He knows that he needs to be on that wagon if he is to have a chance of surviving to the end.

[Luca Blight]

As scum I wouldn't have cased Gamma. I would have done what Gamma has done, which is sit back and see who makes the first move. Both of you scumread each other hard Yesterday and I would have had no reason to budge from my position of thinking Lunar is the last scum.

Gamma, on the other hand, deliberately sat back and hoped I'd maintain my position from Yesterday. When he saw that I had changed my mind he immediately SR me in return. This is typical reactive, survivalistic scum LYLO play. I could tell he was scum just by how he reacted to my suspicion.

[Luca Blight]

And I spent most of the game not only hard-pushing Bugs, but also scumreading Momrangal and saying she was protecting Bugs and most likely their partner. As scum I would have been setting myself up to lose.

[Luca Blight]

This is pretty interesting, especially should Bugs flip scum:

VOTE: busy

I can hop on that wagon too

Momrangal, who was voting Outworld, puts Bugs on 4 votes, which is clearly leading wagon at this point.

VOTE: outworlder

But this works better. Pressure isn't going to work on that slot I don't think and I would rather push against someone who is more probable scum

Then she immediately switches her vote back to Outworld, who no-one else is voting. This quick vote-switching can be a cheap scum distancing tool.

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

VOTE: NPOM

I wonder what this'll do

Ok, I was just making sure that the claim was bs like I thought it was.

The only people that have an issue with it are those outside the block.

Who are the five people in it?

Me
Galron
Grendal
Frog
Gamma

Frog is still pushing you as scum here, but I do agree. The pushes against you are not only crappy as fuck but they are targeted at the largest voice within the block and someone who, if left alive could win us the game

I don't see the progression here. One of the people pushing NPOM was Momrangal herself, who gave absolutely no reasoning at all for her vote. Also, one of these 'crappy' pushes against NPOM came from Bugs, who Momrangal seemingly doesn't want to suspect or pressurize.

[Luca Blight]

Frogster, NPOM
Outworld
Lunar

Gamma
Galron
Grendel

Trendall
Momrangal

Bugs

Sorting GGG is probably the key to this game.

[Luca Blight]

If you have any questions to ask that will help you read me correctly then I'm happy to answer anything.

[Luca Blight]

A third example of Town!me suddenly hammering a player without giving intent:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11291466

[Luca Blight]

Yet another example:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10032737

[Luca Blight]

And another:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11395087

So hopefully we can move past this issue now.

[Luca Blight]

If anything it's probably more town-indicative of me to hammer suddenly, as I tend to be more careful as scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

the thing is that hammer didn't exactly seem sudden, outside of it cutting discussion
which Luca had done before but in the second one referenced he acknowledged the mod being on for the flip.
Although honestly I think the hammer issue is a weak point and the fact he's obsessing over it indicates he has to resort to essentially semantics to argue his case. In addition Luca trying to say I

should

be arguing his hammer was scummy looks like trying to double-talk, given his insistence his quickhammers are a towntell.

[Luca Blight]

In addition Luca trying to say I

should

be arguing his hammer was scummy looks like trying to double-talk, given his insistence his quickhammers are a towntell.

That's not what I said.

I said even you aren't saying the hammer on ejj was scummy, as you're experienced enough to know that.

And I'm not insisting that it's a towntell, I'm insisting it's not a scumtell, and I've backed that up with plenty of evidence. The hammer on ejj was completely NAI, but generally speaking I'd probably be more cautious as scum than to suddenly hammer.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay that was a misread
but still, you're focused way more on the hammer point than you should be as town.

[Luca Blight]

Because Lunar scumreads me, and stated they are close to voting me, because of the hammer. It's pretty reasonable that I would do all I can to show them the hammer isn't scum-indicative.

[Lunar Martian]

Intent to hammer Gamma.

[Gamma Emerald]

uhm okay?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll write up my thought on luca later

[Luca Blight]

Prod dodge - waiting for the above to happen.