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[Titus]

I realize saying this isn't good for me, but won't that make the whole day a total waste in terms of information?

We could have done this on page 12.

Absolutely not. Many many counters have sprung up. Ythan obvscum doesn't happen on page 12.

[Dannflor]

fair

I'll vote whatever to end the day at this point

[innocentvillager]

anyone wanna bet on the odds on a scumflip today?

i say 10-20%

Why are we not killing this?

This is cheeky scumfuckery.

this is the extent of LLD's fighting to survive and push another wagon

wow

meh

i know it's wifom wank but like why does scum!LLD do this -_-

[Cephrir]

and we should have done this on page 12, but that's larges for you

[OkaPoka]

honestly think about whether a claim is going to change your vote

and titus you better promise to be here to vote before deadline if you are going to refrain rn

[DrippingGoofball]

Thoughts from

Team Fakeclaim Processing Dept

this evening:

• I asked why LLD would try to vibe an IV yeet, and declare intent not to claim.
  
• Cakez
  says she's scum for it and we ought to fade.
  
• Creature
  on the other hand fears LLD's refusal to claim is townie, to which I answer REALLLYYYY????
  
• Creature
  , who knew what a CFD is, has some opinions about possibilities. He doesn't trust Dann's push on Titus, IV feels town, he thinks that if mastina is mostly townread, then she's probably town. He's wavering on his earlier townread of AGar. He thinks Hopkirk is good, xtomx is good. He's not crazy about Dann but doesn't think scum!Dann would propose a sudden Titus push. He thinks Bell is fine (I disagree), comparing to his meta in the Pooky vs. Flavor game. LLD, he sees more flipping town than scum. By Gambler's Fallacyhe doesn't see hercule/Luca as scum. He doesn't remember anything OkaPoka did that was townie, and thinks that's a good CFD. He says jjh can go, too (I disagree weakly), and adds that Cephrir is fine.
  
• I ask
  Creature
  what the deal is with refusals to claim.
  
• Creature
  says that it feels like a town idea to make ME claim and then the town will yeet LLD or me based on MY claim alone.
  
• I say that this is ridiculous, and he says that she is resigned to be yeeted in case I have a good claim and may be a scum gambit though it points to being a townie thing. Then he continues in this vein saying that LLD accepts to be a compromise yeet and that refusing to claim forces the burden to be on me as the counterwagon, in the sense that if my claim is bad, I die, if my claim is good, she dies.
  
• Cakez
  objects saying that LLD is perfectly capable of doing this as scum.
  
• Creature
  says that LLD might gamble on getting me yeeted as VT and get a free misyeet, but then if I am not a VT, it's a good 1 v 1 for LLD!scum.
  
• I say, why don't I ward this off by not claiming either?
  
• Creature
  laments that if it's a gambit, the town is eating it up.
  
• Creature
  points to Titus' #2998

  i don't think whether the elimination target claims or not matters tbh

  It's a tiebreaker. All things considered, I would rather have people claim when run up.
  
  So
  Townread
  Townread that refuses to claim
  Scumread
  Scumread that refuses to claim
  
  That's my elimination order.
  
  Since it's DGB (Townread) versus LLD (TR who refuses to claim)
  
  My vote now favors LLD

• Creature
  says this suggests the wagons are T v T, sometimes the town can tell right away just like Titus is doing. But also sometimes scum does it for towncred after they flip.
  
• Creature
  finds the Ythan wagon to be the most atrocious, and doesn't feel like LLD is being "saved."

[OkaPoka]

hi infinity im pretty sure you are reading these posts

please spam ping uncrowned on disc for me xoxo

[AGar]

Refusal to claim is a scum claim.

No, it isn't? In fact, I think claims are largely bad for town because town will often give a claim a night to "prove itself" barring circumstances like a counter or a deadline and that lets scum skate by if they fake claim and PR hunt based on responses, plus an extra night of being alive. Creates a reliance on night play which is often suboptimal and bad.

Does that mean I can get away with not claiming, too?

I really don't care about claims. So it's not going to sway my opinion.

[DrippingGoofball]

That almost definitely needs to be workshopped into a different acronym.
It makes Chinese people sound disorganized because they're Chinese.

I am a accredited with the language police as a volunteer, why do you ask?

Monkey Fire Drill.

[Titus]

@Creature, If LLD is town, can you take another look at Ythan?

[DrippingGoofball]

@Creature, If LLD is town, can you take another look at Ythan?

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[OkaPoka]

titus promise to be here before deadline?

[Winter Flakes]

I am here

[OkaPoka]

move your vote

[Titus]

Yeah I'll be here before deadline

[OkaPoka]

swear it by the old gods and the new

[Titus]

VOTE: LLD

[Winter Flakes]

what are the options? lld dgb and ythan?

[OkaPoka]

lld and dgb

[DrippingGoofball]

lld

and dgb

[Cephrir]

haha remember when someone gave me shit for calling this outcome inevitable

[OkaPoka]

still a chance ceph

[Dunnstral]

I am here

what are the options? lld dgb and ythan?

Kind of yeah, Titus' name is getting thrown around too. What do you think?

[Xtoxm]

auro: this faeces is more intense than indian premier league cricket

[Winter Flakes]

I dont really like either of those options but if lld green flips we get more info I think is she at L-1?