In post 1424, YyottaCat wrote:OK I finished reading a few pages of lilith vs SkitteR and now my brain is fried to crisp. I got nothing from that.
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Okay now I need to see from progression from you on your reads because this just sounds like nonsense.
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VOTE: murdercat
I'd prefer to let him town up if he's town but he's not really trying atp, plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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{22, 27, 243} = good faith.
{67, 84, 116, 124, 129, 137, 240, 484, 556, 888, 892, 910, 913, 948, 949, 961, 1038, 1050, 1074, 1101} = good posts + some matched with my thought process.
{73} = Can you elaborate more? Causeskitteralso townread you that time (likeYyottaCat) on the basis of the vibe I guess (refer: 25).
You vsDumbass ( Auro)on 481, 483, 484, 485, 491, 492, 493, 496, 498, 502, 503, 504, 507, 508, 511, 512, 514, 515, 518, 519, 520, 522, 539, 541, 543, 545, 546, 547, 551, 552, 557, 559, 563, 565, 568, 569, 570, 603, 605, 699, 623, 646 are based on your real life stuffs and hence the overreaction came in my opinion. So, it's not helpful to me to read you at all, I'm taking this 1v1 as NAI.
These posts actually pinged me very hard because as I said earlier, in one of my previous games, one scum was literally doing this type ofgame solving play and. That's the reason for questioning you about yourdeliberately showing that they were doing.game solving naturehere, not a theory based reason totally.
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........ okay? “scum were able to fake it once” doesn’t mean something isn’t towny... they were just able to replicate it as scum. Progressing the game and solving and trying to sort people is a pro-town thing to do. Townies want to do it. Scum don’t want the game to progress. Therefore it is towny.In post 1290, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1222, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:once again - look at my ISO. look at me pushing, sorting, engaging, and progressing this game. yeah, I think I'm the most obvtown slot in this game.
- DaenerysDon't get mad but I saw this exact same attitude ofobsessive town solverscum game in one of my previous games and most of the players fell for it and the mafia won.
Is there an argument that scum can look like they’re trying to progress the game but not actually doing so? yes. But then the onus would be on you (or gamma, or whoever is trying to say this doesn’t make someone towny) to prove why that person is not actually helping advance the game. The onus isn’t on me to prove that something I did that’s inherently towny isn’t actually scummy.
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The reason I brought it up is because it seemed like gamma had completely ignored 1) what position scum!me would have to have taken on a town!skitter and town!auro; and 2) the effort I was putting into the game. again, if he wanted to say I was scum despite that or because of it, fine, but he did not consider where my slot stood in the context of the game. he chose to create a false dichotomy between my slot and another slot in two different ways (me vs penguin and me vs dumb & dumber) and then was like “oh well I guess if lilith is in two dichotomies it should be her.” that’s the same mentality I’ve taken to reads as scum before, where I set up a chain of “logic” and then just use those points to draw “conclusions,” and ignore everything else about the actual play in the game.
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fine, let’s remove all the “emotional”-related things (once again, I feel like my points are not invalid just because I’m emotional, but I’m being treated like my content isn’t valid just because I’m frustrated)In post 1429, Salsabil Faria wrote:{1278} = Don't agree with you cause like you overreacted on Dumbass ( Auro) earlier, Gamma Emerald overreacted with you too. Yes, he might have the wrong meta on you (which is according to you), but that doesn't necessarily scum indicative. Your reaction was also not calming when the 1v1 was going on. And he said that he has issues with communicating, that's why he was ignoring you which I feel genuine. Also, he may be doesn't solve the game like you're doing but I don't find him scum for this.
Gamma’s perspective is like so far out of the realm of where my head’s at that it’s really difficult for me to believe that this is a town perspective.
- see 1432 - setting up false dichotomies and then going “oh welp guess this person must ~logically~ be scum” when that ignores all context of the game
- “wrong meta” is an understatement. you have to actively be looking at two of my worst scumgames at all time, where I rolled over like a napkin, and think that that kind of engagement is at all similar to how active or engaged I’ve been in this game.
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You can just say it's self-preservation you knowIn post 1428, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: murdercat
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can you please point me in the direction of these concerns?In post 1428, Gamma Emerald wrote:plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on
I'm being lazy"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Dumb and Dumber
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that's true but not the whole storyIn post 1435, catboi wrote:
You can just say it's self-preservation you knowIn post 1428, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: murdercat
I'd prefer to let him town up if he's town but he's not really trying atp, plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
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didn't like how he was talking about mech stuff earlyIn post 1436, Green Crayons wrote:
can you please point me in the direction of these concerns?In post 1428, Gamma Emerald wrote:plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on
I'm being lazy
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did you point this out earlier?In post 1439, Gamma Emerald wrote:
didn't like how he was talking about mech stuff earlyIn post 1436, Green Crayons wrote:
can you please point me in the direction of these concerns?In post 1428, Gamma Emerald wrote:plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on
I'm being lazy
it felt like he was crutching on that to get TRed
what mech stuff?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Daenerys and Dragons
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thanks for calling this outIn post 1398, Green Crayons wrote:
sup, what happened with this?In post 1071, Gamma Emerald wrote:But the point is the fact I haven't been actively searching for scum is part of how I play these days, but atp I'm pissed off enough to switch to active mode.
a lot of spam in this game and going in circles
let's yeet Gamma or MC and move on
I don't really have a preference but Lilith wants Gamma more
In defense of Lilith I will say she brought these up as a deliberate counter-example of the game where she was recently scum and not doing those things. Not like a LAMIST situation.In post 1429, Salsabil Faria wrote:These posts actually pinged me very hard because as I said earlier, in one of my previous games, one scum was literally doing this type of game solving play and deliberately showing that they were doing.. That's the reason for questioning you about your game solving nature here, not a theory based reason totally.
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In post 1428, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: murdercat
I'd prefer to let him town up if he's town but he's not really trying atp, plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.
You very much did not express concerns early on - it was quite the opposite.In post 1428, Gamma Emerald wrote:I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.<(") | (")>- Infinity 324
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huhIn post 372, Gamma Emerald wrote:that emote was towards mcat and GC both posting things I have some concerns about
not NM's thing
what's this then
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In post 802, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also can someone come up with a good reason for MCat being scum or is this just because he’s not a TR yet
I feel like most games MCat gets pressed early as townIn post 818, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I felt like it was the start of a bad-faith pushIn post 813, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
That's obviously not what I was getting at and I'm not sure why you're taking it that wayIn post 782, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m sorry but I can’t have fun in mafia games as town, Cakez? Is that what you’re saying?
I actually feel like I vibed pretty hard in a game murder and infinity were both in
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what about murdercatIn post 985, PenguinPower wrote:Because murdercat is a much better wagon and an nm wagon is the epitome of lazy voting.
you guys are probably way off base on him, he very often gets wagoned early like this as town rather than as scum
how can I not see the votes on murdercat as just a little bit lazyIn post 1019, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Here’s the thing: you ALSO saw what happened in Among Us. Tell me Murder’s play/reception differs from that game at all.In post 1012, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Very conflicted. I think his posting isolated is very scummy but I also can buy his excuse that he was burned out by the BooneyToonz game and I did like his post where he cased Penguin. Would yeet in lack of other better wagons.In post 1024, Gamma Emerald wrote:If you believe me about murdercat being a miselim why do you think I’m scum?In post 1026, Gamma Emerald wrote:MURDERCAT [6, E-3] outworldER, Akarin, xRECKONERx, alisae, sircakez, battle mage (thegoldenparadox)
The only scum on this in that game, SirCakez, voted around the middle of what was need to lim
NM is in the same place if murdercat is a miselim this game
So like, how is my NM vote bad given that?In post 1036, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t think murdercat’s play is substantially different from that game/any of his other town games, and the fact he’s getting early pressure to this degree tells me he’s town
In booneytoonz XV I recall there was a D1 wagon on him but it was rather short-lived
Meanwhile like, every other town game I’ve seen from him he’s been rather suspected. So imo the trend is “if murdercat gets sussed a lot early he is town”In post 1062, Gamma Emerald wrote:And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.In post 1092, Gamma Emerald wrote:
yes, there are three scumIn post 1090, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:
I don’t really need a response to the points in particular.In post 1084, Infinity 324 wrote:
I read the post, it didn't really do anything for me. Most of it is like, murder is making lazy pushes and reasoning because he's kinda being lazy this game. If you're interested I can respond to it in more depthIn post 1074, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:@infinity
catboi’s post sums up most of it I think, have you read and responded to this?
Actually just looked at your ISO and you don’t seem to have mentioned this post at all, which is interesting because this is probably the biggest scumcase on murder so far, and you seemingly hard townread this slot before catboi replaced in. Is there a reason you haven’t responded to catboi on murder or engaged with catboi at all?
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I find the argument “murder could be lazy as town” to just be not very appealing. Like, anyone can be lazy as town. They can also just be scum. Yall are saying murder is lazy!town here. Gamma says he’s lazy!town. NM is lazy as both alignments. Everyone else is putting in effort. who do we elim then if everyone suspicious just says they’re being lazy town? there needs to be a line drawn somewhere. as a side note, I also intensely dislike the concept of sandbagging on principle. like, just play the game you signed up for. if you plan to not play the game, then don’t come crying when you get pressured for it.
you say let’s wagon NM but that is the easiest elimination of all time. I’m not concerned about deepwolf!NM. I am concerned about other players skating by because “oh they’re just lazy town.” like if NM is where the wagon ends up, fine, but I think that’s an absolute last resort. there are three scum, so I’m going to keep trying to figure out who the team is. both you and gamma do not seem to care that there would be two other scum.
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atm I don't think murdercat is any of them
NM could be, so could others but I haven't probed for them yet
I don't like the way you try to act like because there's three scum it invalidates our concerns about the murdercat lim and those pushing itIn post 1094, Gamma Emerald wrote:finished Murdercat games informing my perspective here
Booneytoonz XV - mafia (traitor), survived
Among Us - town, survived
Micro 977 - town, survived
Micro 983 - town, survived
Mini Normal 2170 - town, limmed D1
Open 796 (haunted village) - town, survived
If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or oftenIn post 1105, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I'm saying your perspective on murdercat is way smaller than mine or infinity's, and as such you should listen to what I'm saying, which is to give him time since he becomes stronger as town further along in the game, and I think based on how things have developed he is townIn post 1096, Green Crayons wrote:
but see:In post 1094, Gamma Emerald wrote:If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often
In post 1070, PenguinPower wrote:And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.
I'm not just metaing murdercat, I'm metaing the scenario
gamma, i was going through your (gamma's) posts earlier because, gamma, you really went hard on, gamma, defending murderkitty and, gamma, stating that we need to, you know gamma, give murderkitty a few days, gamma, to act more towny. Gamma, it seems that, gamma, you changed this quite abrubtly, gamma, as the day approaches, gamma, a close and your, gamma's, wagon is on par with murderkitty's.In post 1183, Gamma Emerald wrote:
347 I was asking a small question to feel infinity out and I felt he responded in a way that made more waves, which felt townyIn post 1180, Salsabil Faria wrote:(i) Can you explain more about 347, 372 and 472? I don't understand.
(ii) Why did you think Dumb and Dumber's was okay (refer: 653)?
(iii) What is your current read about Infinity 324 (refer: 824)?
(iv) Reason (refer: 984)?
372 I felt their interaction was a bit of distancing (which now that I remember that I'm probably gonna have to retrace my steps and see how I really feel in that front)
472 I had gut pings from GC so I was like "thismightbe a good expression what I'm feeling"
dumbo's townblock seemed okay because shadowslug seemed genuine, so did infinity, and I was okay letting you be included
I still read infinity as town, though I had some hazy doubts earlier
I voted NM because on some level I was conscious of scum liking being on murdercat around that point in the wagon and I also wanted to vote with infinity
as for the murdercat question, I presume he could imitate those behaviors but it would probably be hard for him
I especially think it would be hard for him to act towny in later days
but, gamma, i did see that you, gamma, started to shift your, gamma, opinion earlier back than i originally though. And, gamma, you did say that the kitty of murder felt flat, gamma, prior to your townread tirade so, gamma, i guess i'll give you, gamma, the benefit of the doubt and say that your, gamma's, progression there is actually ok.
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