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[Flea The Magician]

Frankly since I fell off a bit into a few spirals that reads have dropped is amazing.

[clidd]

i actually had Rlotus as lean scum from their voting. why going through today was important and neseccary. i think Rlotus as scum could have pushed a successful elimination of me today (and i know i am not a top priority for scum, but i am 90% sure scum would have settled for an easy elimination of me to get to 5 players/2 scum).

Spoiler:

Vote Count 4.5

Flea The Magician (2):

Egix96, RLotus

E-2

Geraintm (2):

Jim Hawkins, Bugspray

E-2

Egix96 (1):

Flea The Magician

Not Voting (3):

nopointinactingup, geraintm, Bugspray

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate

Day Four Ends In:

(expired on 2021-02-14 06:13:00)

this is the bit where i think scum Rlotus could have got me eliminated. i had 2 votes on me and Flea has been itching to vote me. Rlotus, if they were scum, i think could have easily fabricated a case against me.

please don't focus too much on my methods (which you have done today), just see if where i end up and if it makes sense.
i am trying to be as clear about my thinking as i can, i am not trying to misrepresent my logic at all. if you really want to get into it i can try and explain myself better, but we are (maybe) getting close to deadline and wasting time arguing how i am arriving at decisions isn't too helpful i dont think. but that's just my view.

Ok, but you still not answered me about the point of you not looking for other evidence, besides the vote, to assist in your read about RLotus.

And again, scum does not necessarily have the priority of eliminating you today, since you are an LHF that can be pushed on elo (or persuaded). The game is not over today, we still have another day or two depending on what happens today, so scum can act in the long term and not necessarily in the short term (which would be, in this context, not pushing you today).

I'm not focusing on your methods, my point is that I did not visualize any line of thought of you that would allow me to have the impression that you were town, as the angles you are approaching can be detailed regardless of your alignment, as voting position/timing is easy to speculate. What I wanted is for you to deepen your reasons, explaining what exactly you think about each player, in the sense of ''I liked a and b for reason c'' or ''I didn't like x and y for reason z'', so I can have a better understanding if you are coming from a scum perspective, or from a town perspective.

[clidd]

I put it here but I'll try and put it in some more detail:

- Hawkins is likely town due to interactions with Cook, since I can't really see someone whom I'm seeing as needing to depend on partners (due to Hawkins having little thread presence) to bus the scum roleblocker on Day 1. (See my note on 822 in 1564)

- Lotus is town for having fairly good interactions with Cook overall, also I have town feels from posts such as 712, 528.

- Geraint I feel has good tone in his general posting - might not sound like a lot, I know, but I do feel like he has been posting in a very genuine manner. Examples: 860, 992.

- bugspray had good early interactions with Cook, but since then has pushed hard against a few slots which are either now dead town, or ones I believe to be town.

- For Flea, I mainly don't have as much in favour of fae being town as I do for the rest, though I do think that posts such as 829, 1007 were scummy.

Thanks.

Conceptually speaking, I find it scummy how you are playing, in the sense that I feel you have an agenda of where your progression will go and justifications for questions that have not yet been asked (which would make sense if you were scum trying to simulate consistently a progression of reads), but I believe this may be a personal paranoia of mine.

I wanted to elim you today tbh, as I believe that you are a deepwolf, but I can't ignore slots like Flea and Gera rn. So consider yourself lucky (if you're scum) or just relieved (if you're town).

[clidd]

- For Flea, I mainly don't have as much in favour of fae being town as I do for the rest, though I do think that posts such as 829, 1007 were scummy.

You funny.

Not a good reaction.

[clidd]

Geraintm has just voted for both RLotus and Bugspray, neither of which had any other votes at the time. It almost reads like diversion to see if a wagon will pick up. The only other wagon this could be diverting from would be Flea.

VOTE: Flea The Magician
You are at E-1. Say what you need to.

Hum. Idk if scum!Gera desviaria atenção desse jeito. Seria um jeito horrível imo.

But I do agree that they're both scummy.

[clidd]

Geraintm has just voted for both RLotus and Bugspray, neither of which had any other votes at the time. It almost reads like diversion to see if a wagon will pick up. The only other wagon this could be diverting from would be Flea.

VOTE: Flea The Magician
You are at E-1. Say what you need to.

Hum. Idk if scum!Gera desviaria atenção desse jeito. Seria um jeito horrível imo.

But I do agree that they're both scummy.

Idk if scum!Gera would divert attention like that. It would be a horrible way of doing imo*

[clidd]

Geraintm has just voted for both RLotus and Bugspray, neither of which had any other votes at the time. It almost reads like diversion to see if a wagon will pick up. The only other wagon this could be diverting from would be Flea.

VOTE: Flea The Magician
You are at E-1. Say what you need to.

oh, i am very willful with my votes and vote my way. they aren't distraction votes, just what i think i should be doing.

[clidd]

Hammer away, my reads have been shit hot this game.

Solve is in Geraintm(>90%), Egix(>95%) and RLotus(>70%).

RLotus is town.

Egix and Gera can be scum but only if you're town, and you didn't actually show up that you're town yet.

[clidd]

VOTE: Gerain

Seeing as we're at the wire.

So you have Egix as higher but decided to vote Gera?

Why not try to push Egix, who should be more dangerous in your pov?

[clidd]

Well, I don't see a reason to pivot from the main wagon rn.

Unless Flea begins to townspew.

[MiniMegabyte]

Vote Count 4.6

Flea The Magician (3):

Egix96, RLotus, Jim Hawkins

E-1

Geraintm (2):

Bugspray, Flea The Magician

E-2

Bugspray (1):

Geraintm

Not Voting (1):

Clidd

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate

Day Four Ends In:

(expired on 2021-02-14 06:13:00)

[clidd]

Flea, you have 4 hours.

After that I'll hammer.

[bugspray]

VOTE: flea

[Flea The Magician]

Not like I already townspewed before illness kicked in.

I stand by my solve. None of my reads have been wrong this game.

[bugspray]

[clidd]

[Flea The Magician]

VT, btw. Not that anyone asked for the claim

[Egix96]

VT, btw. Not that anyone asked for the claim

Sigh... why do I keep playing these games...

[Flea The Magician]

Hammer away, my reads have been shit hot this game.

Solve is in Geraintm(>90%), Egix(>95%) and RLotus(>70%).

RLotus is town.

Egix and Gera can be scum but only if you're town, and you didn't actually show up that you're town yet.

Slight review on this, add jim to the (>70%).

[Flea The Magician]

VT, btw. Not that anyone asked for the claim

Sigh... why do I keep playing these games...

Explain? It's a normal, doesn't mean there ain't PRs.

[Egix96]

VT, btw. Not that anyone asked for the claim

Sigh... why do I keep playing these games...

Explain? It's a normal, doesn't mean there ain't PRs.

I'm just disappointed in myself for being wrong. I feel like people always flip the opposite of what I was expecting them to.

[clidd]

I'm waiting for a flip, not sure if I buy Flea as town yet

But, with a townflip, Egix is very likely scum imo.

[Flea The Magician]

I true claim when I'm hammered. While this is twilight - this is endgame for me. As scum I stir up more chaos knowing I can cover my team move being open.

[clidd]

Who do you think makes more sense as Egix's partner?

[Flea The Magician]

Geraintm currently - I'd have to double check VCA's but I think they only went for each other after it was pointed out from D1 VCA.
RLotus seems just off in general to me, and Jim's lazy E1 as well as overall lazy behavior gives them potential to be the partner. Double check the D1 interactions with cook on that one though and make your own conclusions.