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[clidd]

Ok, thanks.

I'll keep your impressions in mind

[geraintm]

I'm not going to get killed tonight because scum no know value in it.

But I'm not sure how I can be scum when I have passed up repeated opportunities the last few days to vote for townies and not. I would have to have been the most confident scum going to just sit out every single vote.
Like...if I was scum and I know flea is gunning for me I just sit here for days waiting for everyone else to vote for flea and hope to gain town credit for ir?

[geraintm]

So we have 4 town left.
Clidd is mason.

They areneither going to get rid of Cliddesden and leave 3 town to try and work it out, but with a powe role left alive.
Or go for the power role with a 50/50 shot of hitting and to try and win it from there.

[RLotus]

Egix + geraintm is the most sensible team if Flea is really town. Egix scum still doesn't feel right to me tho.

[clidd]

Gera, again, your approach to the game is strange.

In the sense that the logic of your scumhunting is questionable and, as I have already commented more than once, it is very easy for you to be scum with the current instance.

There is a chance for you to be town acting sporadically, but you're not making it easy to read you.

I'm not going to accept the ''too scummy to be scum''. Townspew/towntell or you'll get eliminated eventually.

[clidd]

Egix + geraintm is the most sensible team if Flea is really town. Egix scum still doesn't feel right to me tho.

Egix is ​​a deepwolf and players of this nature will always look towny in one way or another.

So it's normal that it doesn't feel right, but I'm pretty sure that he's scum.

[clidd]

The only counter to my scum!Egix theory was Flea, considering that I see them as T|S.

So with Flea gone (and a townflip), scum!Egix is much more likely than town!Egix.

Just by looking at the gamestate you can say that the last two scums aren't the powerwolf kind, they're likely deepwolf/lurkers.

Not sure yet on who is the second scum, but I'm confident that Egix is ​​the deepwolf that is stagnating the game.

[clidd]

There is a lot of agenda on his posts and a progression that seems too organized to be real.

Almost as if he is thinking of answers to possible future questions, rather than answering in an organic posting flow.

He needs to think about how he will respond, react, where and when he will go to x read.

[clidd]

Spoiler:

bugspray

Leaning town on vibes from posts such as 37, 71, second line of 235, 335, 529.

423 does feel like unwarranted shade but it's minor.

Andres

117, 120, 121

"But I’m not completely hating it so I’m staying put for now."

"Easy there. I’m not hating it because nothing else has grabbed my attention just yet and having a wagon at least allows for some commentary."

"Alright Cook fine I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for now."

These feel like filler lines that scum use when they don't have real thoughts but still have to give some sort of semblance that they do.

155 - Very slight town vibes.

182 - If Esooaslot/nopoint are t/t this is bad.

218 - Another townvibey post, a bit more strong than 155 this time.

391, 393 - Eh? Why throw some subtle shade at Hawkins in the latter post, considering you had a favourable opinion of him in the former?

396 - There's a small part of me that wants to yell "make up your damn mind!" at this.

457 - Really surprising that Andres progressed from 391 to this in the space of <2 hours.

Slight scum lean overall.

geraint

267 - "some people i've not played with before in this game taking up a high percentage of posts but it aint helping me get anywhere with the game" - Very minor town vibes from this.

582 - I don't disagree, but this statement feels very generic.

666 - This seems ~fine, not sure what could've pinged bugspray about it.

Null-town so far but I'm hoping to see more.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Andresvmb

Until I can get to doing more of these.

nopointinactingup

Not seeing a lot of AI stuff from this player so far. Apart from pushing on Cook, does not show a lot in the way of reads until his latest post, save for maybe "I do agree on the take on Lotus" (500). Would say scum at a GTH level, but I kinda wanna let him develop since his playstyle seems a bit similar to my own.

Zuko

363 - Minor T vibes from "don't hold me to that" part.

504 - Liking that he holds off from joining the Hawkins wagon to collect his thoughts rather than jumping straight in.

ISO contains more posts than I was expecting; I don't really find the rest to be noteworthy but still, slight town lean.

========== N1 Re-read ==========

37, 38 - +town for bugspray - I don't think it likely that scum would call attention to 34 that soon.

42 - +town for andres.

71 - I'm feeling tempted to just lock in bugspray as town and never look back. Okay, that might be a small exaggeration, but still.

87 - TMI-s bugspray as town. Someone who didn't know their alignment wouldn't regard a mod question as AI.

108 - Koba prob town from this.

117 - This kinda feels like scum PT talk slightly adapted to be safe to post in the game thread.

118 - OTOH, the tone of Cook's response does feel like he is talking to town.

122 - Not an interaction involving Cook, but still, I wanna imagine Esooa wouldn't say this if she were actually scum.

145 - Not sure how Koba arrived at this conclusion, but still, noting it for reference.

146 - Oh you.

199 - Slight +town for andres. Only slight since there's still a chance this was just a sloppy distancing attempt.

257 - I presume that this is referring to 87.

270, 279 - +town for Esooa, due to the policy elim angle.

275 - Koba +town for wanting Cook to elaborate on reads. 282 solidifies this.

284 - "at first i thought andres was scum but then he said something somewhere that I'll dig up in a moment that like reversed all of that" - Huh, not entirely sure what to make of that line but still feel like having a note of it here.

308 - "cook- he has been quite awkward with his posting, but perhaps that is just how he posts, null for now" - Minor non-s/s vibes from this.

312 - +town for tris.

340 - Considering that the main wagon at the time was on scum, the timing of this post is... yeah.

383 - Polaris slot +town slightly for opportunistic timing of vote.

417 - "Slight Lean Town [...] Cook" - Oof er okay. I'm noting that there were a total of five players in the tiers below.

447 -> 450 - Irritation towards Cook mayyybe not s/s?

455 - Okay maybe not. Andres scum, Jim town?

473, 474 - Occam's razor says that nopoint is just town here.

484 - +town for tris again.

510 - Potentially partnery post.

513 - I don't think it likely that partner!Zuko would be the only name in the "Town" tier.

528 - "Cook has been quite awkward as has been pointed out many times. Not sure if that is just how he plays as town, but still a reasonable chance we just hit scum there. This is where my vote is going if it is between Jim and Cook." - +town for Lotus.

553 - "My interpretation is I think scum want to get out the only voice who was somewhat verbally opposed to their agenda of eliminating Cook" - Hmm not sure about this one.

604 - This vote is probably not s/s given the context.

635 - +town for questioning the inclusion of Cook in town core.

663 - "Your level of confidence on FB and now Cook is starting to freak me out. I don't think either FB or Cook have acted in a way that is obvtown. To me it seems like you are seeing someone do something towny and jumping the gun and overreacting." - I was going to note this as +town for sentence #2, but seeing as this also throws shade at Koba I'm kinda hesitant.

696 - I'm unwilling to regard this vote as a point in andres's favour since "deadline soon" was a pretty bogus excuse anyway.

^^ Notes from N1 (up to page 30)

Where's your solve, Egix?

Why are you voting Flea?

I put it here but I'll try and put it in some more detail:

- Hawkins is likely town due to interactions with Cook, since I can't really see someone whom I'm seeing as needing to depend on partners (due to Hawkins having little thread presence) to bus the scum roleblocker on Day 1. (See my note on 822 in 1564)

- Lotus is town for having fairly good interactions with Cook overall, also I have town feels from posts such as 712, 528.

- Geraint I feel has good tone in his general posting - might not sound like a lot, I know, but I do feel like he has been posting in a very genuine manner. Examples: 860, 992.

- bugspray had good early interactions with Cook, but since then has pushed hard against a few slots which are either now dead town, or ones I believe to be town.

- For Flea, I mainly don't have as much in favour of fae being town as I do for the rest, though I do think that posts such as 829, 1007 were scummy.

Here, for example ^

[Egix96]

Egix is a deep wolf because he makes notes, seems legit...

[clidd]

But that is a matter for tomorrow, we are already in the night.

I expect good conduct from those who stay alive tomorrow.

Even if I'm not alive, btw, my thoughts will come to D5, one way or another, so I'm not worried about being killed.

pedit: Hello

[Egix96]

Team is probably bug+Lotus.

[clidd]

Yeah, I know.

You must be like ''what?, he is right for the wrong reasons'', but it's fine.

[clidd]

And now you're ''Hum.. How I'm supposed to react here?''

[Egix96]

And now you're ''Hum.. How I'm supposed to react here?''

I am being called scum by a conf town, so no shit.

Yup, that's me, I had tris pocketed so hard I killed her...

[clidd]

Wifom exists, my friend.

But yeah, don't worry. I will do my reevaluation during the night and the next day I will be able to help.

[clidd]

Although you are very transparent as scum to me rn. Sorry.

[clidd]

Perhaps this conversation is unnecessary if Flea is bluffing about being town.

But I don't think fae would troll about something like that after being hammered, right?

[clidd]

[Egix96]

"You did it anyway because WIFOM"

Works every time!

[clidd]

It worked, you are alive, aren't you?

[Egix96]

It worked, you are alive, aren't you?

I meant the argument works every time (it doesn't, that was sarcasm)

Look, if you're looking for deep wolves, look at someone like bugspray who only needed to fake some good-looking early interactions with Cook and they'd be set for the rest of the game.

Or (this is a big tinfoil tho) Hawkins for being the counter wagon.

Anyway, I'm off to get some sleep.

[geraintm]

Gera, again, your approach to the game is strange.

In the sense that the logic of your scumhunting is questionable and, as I have already commented more than once, it is very easy for you to be scum with the current instance.

There is a chance for you to be town acting sporadically, but you're not making it easy to read you.

I'm not going to accept the ''too scummy to be scum''. Townspew/towntell or you'll get eliminated eventually.

I'm getting penalised for my poor reads, but I know fleas read of me being scum is wrong. It is hard whilst in game to argue with people saying my reads are bad .
One, they may well be.
Two, I have extra info than yoy do ( my alignment) that means I know when some reads from others are right or not.

[geraintm]

And why don't I get credit for reading flea as town, saying I wouldn't vote for them? We've just gone and eliminated town and I said they were. You say you don't like my scum hunting, but identifying town and saying so is valuable too

[Flea The Magician]

I trueclaim in twilight as either alignment. I can cause more chaos and WIFOM being claimed because of subconcious shenangians.

Geraint my counter to your "BUT LOOK AT WHAT I DID" is my reads have been *chefs kiss*. None of them have been wrong.
If anything, that's a damn good reason to scumcase someone. But it wasn't brought up.