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[Grendel]

If Grey flips town were do you go from there? and if he flips red where do you go from there?

-/-/-/-

I will have to check out chickflips scum game sometime on my own time soonish then.

[Marky Mark]

Okay I've got thoughts.

I reckon saying this w/o follow-up could be a PT-slip

Like Scum not realizing they posted something in thread p and not engaging with it b/c of it.

I feel like scum would just style this out though and make some arbitrary follow up post once they'd realised what they'd done

[Marky Mark]

I was ok with a polciy elim on Jake when it looked like he was just being apathetic, but the last few pages have made it feel like he actively wants to get elimed. I can see scum being apathetic, but not going out of their way to get themselves limmed like Jake has.

Playing into Jake's hands here does not appeal to me.

Can we try to get a wagon on an active SR please? Preferably Not Known/Uncrowned but I'd take chkflip as a compromise.

[Marky Mark]

Uncrowned (1): Flea The Magician
Marky Mark (1): Not Known 15
Jesse Pierce (1): Jake the Wolfie,
Flea The Magician (1): Kop
Jake the Wolfie (4): Mistyx, mathblade, chkflip, grendel
Not Known 15(1): Marky Mark
Kop (1): cassowary
Mathblade (2): Jesse Peirce, GreyICE

Current votes as far as I can see @ just over 2 days out

@People voting Jake - do you actually think he is scum here and think scum would play like this?

[Marky Mark]

I'll join Flea on Uncrowned at the 48 hour mark if there's no interest in NK 15

Let's see some POEs so we can talk this out. I've given you NK15/Uncrowned/Chkflip - if you think this is garbage then call it out but at least lets talk through this

[Marky Mark]

*crickets*

Vax and Uncrowned, can you lay a vote please, so that we can see where consensus lies? A vote and a wider poe would be even better.

We are cutting this pretty fine to find a consensus wagon and go through the claim process, especially given the posting frequency of much of the plist

[Marky Mark]

I'm going to occupied for much of the evening so I'm just going to go ahead and VOTE: Uncrowned now, to start trying to consolidate wagons

[Jake The Wolfie]

Is it a scummy angle tho?

EbsoLUTEly, guy. Going right to the edge of the rule and dipping his toe in knowing full well what can of worms that skates around? Yes that's absolutely fucking scummy, dude, get real.

Bending the rules isn't AI.

[Mistyx]

Uncrowned (1): Flea The Magician
Marky Mark (1): Not Known 15
Jesse Pierce (1): Jake the Wolfie,
Flea The Magician (1): Kop
Jake the Wolfie (4): Mistyx, mathblade, chkflip, grendel
Not Known 15(1): Marky Mark
Kop (1): cassowary
Mathblade (2): Jesse Peirce, GreyICE

Current votes as far as I can see @ just over 2 days out

@People voting Jake - do you actually think he is scum here and think scum would play like this?

my last experience with him that i remember was him claiming scum in f5 and then subbing out as the last scum

so yes :P

[MathBlade]

If Grey flips town were do you go from there? and if he flips red where do you go from there?

-/-/-/-

I will have to check out chickflips scum game sometime on my own time soonish then.

1) If we flip him today and he is scum, I think I die. If I live I would make my thoughts known open D2.
2) If we flip him today and he is town then if I live until tomorrow I would make my thoughts known open D2.

I am going to take each moment as it comes with however much I got.

[MathBlade]

I was ok with a polciy elim on Jake when it looked like he was just being apathetic, but the last few pages have made it feel like he actively wants to get elimed. I can see scum being apathetic, but not going out of their way to get themselves limmed like Jake has.

Playing into Jake's hands here does not appeal to me.

Can we try to get a wagon on an active SR please? Preferably Not Known/Uncrowned but I'd take chkflip as a compromise.

No. If he wants to be elimmed then we give it to him. No reason not to as explained before about vengeful.

Please stop torpedoing my townread of you.

[MathBlade]

I still can’t shake Jessee Grey Grendel all being scum together. Like I have too many scumreads ugh.

Maybe I will have to check the vibes of someone after a flip. I kinda really want in those three if we don’t do Jake.

[Jake The Wolfie]

No. If he wants to be elimmed then we give it to him. No reason not to as explained before about vengeful.

Consider this:

Hypothetically, I am a Mafia Vengeful.

[MathBlade]

Then you take out a top town read and give us info like I said. I am okay with this.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Then you take out a top town read and give us info like I said. I am okay with this.

Or I take out a strong PR

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: 18+19

Oh, now we've got some activity.

Would love some more explanation on Greyice's reasoning for... basically anything he's said so far. I refuse to succumb to fascist intimidation :p

I say you are scum
and you tell me I'm scummy and need to explain to you why I'm not scum

that's not how it works.

Yes it quite frankly is because I am obviously town and you right now have done the equivalent of a naked vote.

You got a problem with that?

I like you.

Oh, now we've got some activity.

Would love some more explanation on Greyice's reasoning for... basically anything he's said so far. I refuse to succumb to fascist intimidation :p

I say you are scum
and you tell me I'm scummy and need to explain to you why I'm not scum

that's not how it works.

Yes it quite frankly is because I am obviously town and you right now have done the equivalent of a naked vote.

You got a problem with that?

I do not follow what you mean by that.

I have a problem with people avoiding the game thread and playing hero.

If you think I am scum, comment on the top wagons (U and MM) and then why you think I am scum.

It’s a simple ask.

"Prove I'm scum by looking everywhere else first!"
Hmm...

I very much do scumread you but again, I want to get people to focus on current events so I am not tunneling.

Besides I have one vote and my PoE is kinda big atm.

Math you've giving me bad vibes

Naked votes generate discussion whereas your wall posts just drown people out.

VOTE: Mathblade

I'm keeping my vote here unless I see some town traits soon.

*blinks in spoiler wall and sips tea*

I don't follow the theory that Not Known is town because they called a flavour massclaim scummy. SRing people who suggest massclaims is pretty standard and I can't speak for other slots, but I certainly wasn't thinking in terms of any 3rd party angles at the time, so the lack of mention of one isn't a big deal IMO

I mean my softclaim so far is pretty sus, if I say so myself.
I have no regrets :3 I was hoping to stir more reactions up

Spoiler: 20+21+22

Lol, are you always this abrasive?

Oh god no. I'm super chill nowadays.

Wouldn't mind having a genuine discussion about things with you though, seeing your thought process.

PEdit:

Scum are trying to mimic basic scumhunting, yes? Also, scum tend to make posts as genuine and honest as possible to mimic their town selves, therefore most scum who attempt to post scumhunting are engaging in scumhunting - something they have far more experience with than playing as town. As you said, rolefishing is a really scummy thing for town to do. Now if NK15 is mafia, he'd know if Vax was mafia. Lets say NK is mafia, and Vax is not-mafia, and he notes that Vax is rolefishing, which is something scum do. How could Vax be scum and yet not be mafia?

A sign of how bad my scumgame is, I genuinely just do exactly the same damn thing as either alignment xD
I just slip almost every damn time as scum and I HATE IT.

I understand that "god of town" and "13 inch penis" are things that inspire envy and covetousness in those that witness them. You can have your gravedigger try to pluck them from my cold, dead corpse after you night kill me. But you'll find that at least half of that is natural, god given talent and Gamma had nothing to do with it.

Am I the only one who genuinely doesn't like being townread? (♡´艸`)

I meant grey. I want his role.

Uhm again? No.

Mass claim on D1 is stupid and if you want his role scum case him and get a wagon going?

My townread of you is hitting the shitter

Cause we disagree? Lol. I'm not worried about you town-reading me.

I don't want a mass claim, but I believe grey claiming would benefit us.

Porkens said claiming thier flavor would reveal thier role, grey comes in talking about facism. I mention the previous part, and they stop talking about facism.

This good logic.

*Offers Vax a cup of tea and a biscuit selection*

mine

#Denied

*offers a cake*

That’s why I said “the closest”.

If you push this 1v1 you lose here every time. If you’re scum or town you know I am serious here. I am town and you really don’t want to do this.

Theres a few I could quote, but amma pick this one.
This is not your normal, Math. You is a stubborn and proud peep, you're also amazing good and consistent in your behaviours and like I'm failing to see consistency in you rn...

Not much time, so just skimmed the thread. Grendel seems towny.

Kinda wondering if Grendel, Uncrowned, and Not Known know where all the bones are.

Just more of a gut vibe. The post seemed off and I was scum reading you and the only think 15 said was a pop in and you were Townie despite outing what you thought was a PR.

Sometimes scum clump up and sometimes they don’t. VCA is meant to be done in a “at least” manner not a “Max X” manner. I like to get vibes and put my ear to the ground and get vibes so to speak and see what pops at me.

You've said yourself previously that VCA is absolute pants without a flip.

Spoiler: 23+24+25+26

I remember Math being very self-assured in Bears, but the way he threatened GreyIce in 515 for pushing stuff that he didn't agree with was not a side of him that I remember from that game.

Really? You don’t remember the entire argument with G?

I am certain I will never be elimmed unless town really derps. Almost more so than when I was mason.

Difference is you were clear in that game, and honestly, you weren't this... weird?

If fidget is replacing out, feels bad to eliminate them today I guess.

Why are we back on uncrowned? Do you guys think uncrowned looks particularly scummy? I think uncrowned looks like another 'town who's convinced they've got it figured out when they don't' to me.

I think if we aren't going to do Fidget my preferred elim for today would be Not Known. The NK/Mark interactions earlier in the thread look pretty bad, I think. Looks like reaching to try to get town to wagon onto someone who had a few votes but might become difficult to vote out later. And the rest of their reads are... pretty ridiculous imo. I guess I'll see where they're at once they finish catching up.

I'm not really SRing jake very hard but I concur with others that if he isn't going to be helpful it would be best to policy-eliminate him early on so he doesn't become an issue later

This is bad and you know it is, you don't go easy on a rep just because they're rep.

I'll join Flea on Uncrowned at the 48 hour mark if there's no interest in NK 15

Let's see some POEs so we can talk this out. I've given you NK15/Uncrowned/Chkflip - if you think this is garbage then call it out but at least lets talk through this

That's literally just a left over from my going *poof* and is not where I want the elimination today.

VOTE: MathBlade unless Jake wants removing then *shrug*

[MathBlade]

Then you take out a top town read and give us info like I said. I am okay with this.

Or I take out a strong PR

Damn Jake is reading he’s not jester lol.

Don’t get what his vibe is.

Bad Flea. Bad. Not sure if it’s scum Flea but I don’t think it is

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Grey

I think I need Grey flipped. Too much lack of reads.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: grey

[chkflip]

But I eh-like Grey?

[Jake The Wolfie]

I do like the color græy as well. It reminds me of Neutrals, my favorite roleset to play!

[Vaxkiller]

But I eh-like Grey?

Vote grey and ill give you a town hat

[MathBlade]

New rule: if you object to a wagon you have to push someone you think better.
Chk if you like Grey who do you want instead?

[Mistyx]

No. If he wants to be elimmed then we give it to him. No reason not to as explained before about vengeful.

Consider this:

Hypothetically, I am a Mafia Vengeful.

then we kill a mafia, obviously :P

[Mistyx]

jake really shouldn't be getting a pass because he's acting like a jester!!!!

it's an easy scum tactic to avoid suspicion, he's just creating wifom to try to divert suspicion