TM 2021 Large Normal 2: Wikipedia Integer Facts (Over)

[OkaPoka]

pretty sure titus is saying something that we shouldn't talk about you know

[Cephrir]

I was targeted by a babysitter. I'll be afk today. Spending the afternoon with a date online.

What? How are you not dead?

The babysitter has to die to kill their target

Oh, that's not at all what I thought that role did.

What a bizarre target.

[jjh927]

The main unwritten option other than LLD or DGB was Titus at that point

She may have phrased her LLD vote as necessary to get a flip but I think it was survival when she really wanted cred from being correct on whoever got flipped out of those 2
Although I'll admit at the time I thought it was a bus

So how does town Titus play it differently?

I mean, I kinda expect town!Titus to be digging in her heels somewhere on a hard scumread and have somewhere to vote rather than just commenting that both major wagons are likely to be town and ending up voting one of them anyway, although I wouldn't explicitly expect the second thing

[OkaPoka]

with our deadline?

[jjh927]

Although I suppose Ythan was that on reflection

[jjh927]

Think I might have missed how much of a role Titus had in that wagon building up, actually

[jjh927]

UNVOTE:

[Titus]

Titus didn't want the LLD wagon or the DGB wagon but didn't do anything else

That's a lie. I pushed my scumreads but no one bit. I compromised on a null read and was promptly counterwagoned. You can see that in my votes. Ineffective doesn't mean I didn't try.

Both wagons were T v T. Scum likely pushed it that way to avoid a Ythan elimination.

[Almost50]

[DGB, jjh927, innocentvillager, Ythan, Luca Blight]

A.k.a. the "no escape" tier

The players in this category are all scum or honorary scum, we need the mod to sort out the rest.

Alright, so we're going for "honorary scum" on that one and Titus was right, and everyone else on my list is now 33% more likely to be scum than if DGB was one
VOTE: jjh927

I am not going to fight against a jjh wagon, but I really would rather any of the other 3 (still alive). I also -obviously- would have fought hard against a DGB flip today had she been still alive. I had a TR on both her and LLD, but both are too stubborn to fight against, so that's why you (Dunn) got a weird feeling from me. I wasn't exactly sidelining, but I was low effort fighting back both wagons (LLD/DGB) because I knew no matter what I did they would not have changed their minds.

Right now, my read list looks something like this:

[*]Dunnstral, representing Perfect Grammar
[*]Cephrir, representing Maybe the Real Mods...
[*]Titus, representing Quick Attack
[*]AGar, representing Pa-Ni-Nis

[*]Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned), representing The Four Seasons

[*]Bell the worst, representing Daylight Savings Time

[*]Xtoxm, representing Loyal Servants

[*]jjh927, representing All your Scummies belong to us
[*]mastina, representing Mask Your Worries

[*]Hopkirk, representing Team 'Team 'Team' Team' Team
[*]OkaPoka, representing Suicide Squad

[*]innocentvillager, representing Class of 2175
[*]Luca Blight hercule, representing Onlyregfans
[*]Ythan, representing Half a Good Team Plus Two

It is still volatile in some parts and I kept moving some names up and down for the past 48 hours (I did a "thorough skim" during the night time)

I cannot claim I'm confident enough on anyone (that's an obvious lie, but hey.. it's me )m but I actually narrowed it all down to just 2 possible solves (Well.. 2 "most likely" possible solves) that are:

[2] Xtoxm
[2] innocentvillager
[1] jjh927
[1] Ythan
[1] Hopkirk
[1] OkaPoka

1
[*]innocentvillager, representing Class of 2175
[*]jjh927, representing All your Scummies belong to us
[*]Xtoxm, representing Loyal Servants
[*]OkaPoka, representing Suicide Squad
2
[*]innocentvillager, representing Class of 2175
[*]Xtoxm, representing Loyal Servants
[*]Ythan, representing Half a Good Team Plus Two
[*]Hopkirk, representing Team 'Team 'Team' Team' Team

As you see, Xtoxm & IV appear in both solves, while jjh/Oka appear in one and Ythan/Hop appear on the other. Luca does not appear on either but I SR him individually (actually it's not "Luca" that I SR but his predecessor; hercule).

I now need Titus to do her VCA (I know we didn't get a red flip yet, but I think it's pretty much doable still) to decide which of the scum candidates is more likely to actually flip red and go for that.

Disclaimer: Sorry for the serious tone. I'll be switching back to my norm shortly. It's hard to make jokes, memes or think of music videos to include when the thread is locked.

[jjh927]

I could probably vote Bell maybe

I need to resort and not sheep mastina

[Dunnstral]

Titus didn't want the LLD wagon or the DGB wagon but didn't do anything else

That's a lie. I pushed my scumreads but no one bit. I compromised on a null read and was promptly counterwagoned. You can see that in my votes. Ineffective doesn't mean I didn't try.

Both wagons were T v T. Scum likely pushed it that way to avoid a Ythan elimination.

Careful. Ythan wagon was a thing after both lld and dgb were already things

[Dunnstral]

A50, you had a weird feeling on me but I'm a townread now after flips - is it based on the way I'm posting?

I like that post

[Titus]

I was targeted by a babysitter. I'll be afk today. Spending the afternoon with a date online.

What? How are you not dead?

The babysitter has to die to kill their target

Oh, that's not at all what I thought that role did.

What a bizarre target.

It protects the target if attacked directly. If the babysitter dies, so does their target.

So if a town!babysitter targeted me, then there's two options. One, they are widely TRed and wanted me to die with them. Two, they are heavily TRing me and wanted to protect me.

If it's a scum!babysitter (only possible bc vig), then scum a) wanted to protect me or b) felt that I was accurate enough to be a backup nightkill if they were likely shot. I feel scum b is the least likely.

[Titus]

VOTE: mastina

Case me or die. I want to have this out. I may not respond right away but I want you solved. No more vague meta statements. If I am wrong on you, I should be able to see you having genuine logic here, even if wrong.

[jjh927]

I really don't think this is within Mastina's scumrange any more
The range of play you can expect from Mastina is directly linked to her real life headspace

[Almost50]

VOTE: Titus

Great case. Say no more.

[Almost50]

it is obviously in light of the 3 townflips, two of which people FIERCELY scumread

People are stupid. Monkeys are smart though

[Almost50]

you were accusing me of deadline manipulation with 5 days left to deadline when i was wagoning ythan

literally the time to show doubts about stuff is not with no time there isnt a point to commenting

Are you still up for it? Can I get a current read list from you?

[OkaPoka]

always town:

okapoka

probably town:

dunn, ceph, xtoxm, hop

lean town:

iv, agar, luca, titus

null:

mastina

scum remnants:

bell, ythan, jjh, flakes, a50

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however this is not a solve there is 100% at least 1 scum *maybe 2* in my town bins because well, this would be bad scumplay if the scumteam was entirely in my leanscum-probscum categories

[OkaPoka]

oh yeah i edited it and combined leanscum w probscum in one category because i realized really there wasn't much of a difference tbh

[Almost50]

@IV: I don't like the way you're playing in general, but I now remember one specific thing I wanted to ask: How did you end up sheeping DGB unto LLD when DGB also declared an early SR on you? I don't even remember if she/it held on to that later, as things got heated between LLD/DGB/mastina/Titus (inb4 I get called a sexist for saying this!!!)

[OkaPoka]

pointing it out makes it weird

[Almost50]

I was targeted by a babysitter. I'll be afk today. Spending the afternoon with a date online.

Why would you even announce that? What are your thoughts elsewhere?

Also, if what Titus says is true then I beg of the Vig to consider holstering. It's enough you hit the Tracker already. (Unless it's not a Vig and it's actually a SK, which is unlikely but still theoretically possible in a Large Normal)

[OkaPoka]

There are 4 mafia players and 14 town players.

[Almost50]

I was targeted by a babysitter. I'll be afk today. Spending the afternoon with a date online.

Actually, Dann also had the Announcing Modifier. Can everybody ask their "more-experienced-in-moderating team members" what that could mean? I'm thinking on FL, S_S, Jingle.. of course we already have mastina in here to weigh in on that.

P-edit: Oh, shit. Jingle can no longer talk to us.