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[AGar]

@A50

So the theory you're yeeting into the universe is that Oka is scum because Oka is expending energy to push away from a Ythan-buddy yeet, correct?

Yes and no. Yes, I am using that now to make the connection between the two for WHEN Ythan flips red, and no because Oka was ALSO a supect of mine for the whole game. See my first proposed solve in 727, followed by ny first posted read list in 730, and -to make a long story short- just to my first post of D2 (3233).

So, if your question is "Is this your case on Oka?" or "Is this

the

reason you SR Oka?" the answer is no. If the question is "Do you think they're Scum together and are providing your reasoning for it?" the answer is yes.

I'm going to largely ignore a bullshit solve from 2500 posts ago - but I note that you were suspicious of Oka throughout D1, and it tracks in your ISO.

You cite 3233, but in 3233, you have two solves - Ythan and Oka are in distinctly different solves. Now suddenly, even though Oka's behavior towards Ythan has been consistent from towards the end of D1, they're scum together. You're specifically pairing them at this point.

My big issue is you're seemingly tying Oka to an Ythan flip - regardless of your prior suspicions, your wording has changed and you're haranguing Oka and appealing with phrases like "When Ythan flips red." Your vote is on Ythan last I checked. And your continued aggression towards Oka suggests your read on him is becoming more and more hinged on an Ythan flip, that Oka is chainsawing Ythan. These are specific buddying accusations.

So:

1) Why are you not expending literally any energy trying to get a wagon on Ythan pushed further?
2) If your scumread on Oka is independent of Ythan, case it. And explain why you're abandoning your "solves" in 3233 so rapidly.
3) Hypothetically, if Ythan was an IC, how does that impact your opinion of Oka?

Aaaanyways, the rest of the Ythan wagon didn't kick up until LLD moved to get consolidation amongst those of us on some vanity wagons. Then it petered out around 8 votes, fell apart, and people shifted to Titus.

Wrong again: here's the full VC:

Vote Count 1.19

Ythan

(8): OkaPoka, Luca Blight, Dannflor, Cephrir, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, AGar, innocentvillager

Lady Lambdadelta

(5): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Ythan, jjh927

DrippingGoofball

(2): Dunnstral, Bell

Bell

(1): Winter Flakes

AGar

(1): Hopkirk

Not Voting

(1): Almost50

I mean, technically it did happen after LLD's call for consolidation, but the VC clearly shows it wasn't exactly a consolidation process. (Plua the Titus wagon took off AFTER this)

I will simply point out that I was one of the votes on the wagon - I know how it happened, and it wasn't seriously moving forward until LLD tried to rally up a wagon. I'm not "wrong again" - you're trying to manipulate what happened based on posts absent context and just pulling what works for you.

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3814 - I don't know how anyone could call it "dishonest" to attack mastina for suddenly being unsure of a scumread when asked to vote that scumread given... mastina.

[AGar]

Also hmm brain says that if Hopkirk actually had conviction in his read on me, he'd properly case me to try and get traction on it instead of just voting and then going "whyyyy does no one agree with me?"

[Titus]

@Oka, why should I suppose Ceph is townsiding when from my pov he bailed on scum to vote me at the first opportunity?

[Titus]

Also look how pure that Ythan wagon is

[Cephrir]

Ceph why do you think i keep asking a50 to stop teeing ythan up

you voted a50, it wasn't a good vote

[Cephrir]

@Oka, why should I suppose Ceph is townsiding when from my pov he bailed on scum to vote me at the first opportunity?

no one is flipped scum

i had reasons for moving and i'm hardly the only one that did so. yes, we have been somewhat ~on the same side~... being able to suspect people who are largely agreeing with you is a town trait, i am clearly not playing politics and trying to make friends

[Ythan]

Also look how pure that Ythan wagon is

It's crazy we live in a world where a player could post this.

[Ythan]

Ythan (3): Almost50, Titus, AGar

Purity

[Ythan]

Ythan is enjoying taking refuge in logic against an illogical player.

And you want what exactly.

[Cephrir]

i would like you to either make posts that sound like they come from town, or die

surely this can't be the first time you've heard of the concept that illogical and scum are different things, yet your greatest suspicion is more or less based on policy

[Ythan]

yet your greatest suspicion is more or less based on policy

Is it.

[Ythan]

How far does the less in more or less extend for you.

[Cephrir]

i just don't believe that you have 10000 posts in mafia games and still believe your current line of play is how scum are caught

[Ythan]

If you think my current line of play is policy then who cares about your interpretation honestly

[Cephrir]

has anyone ever told you that interacting with you is about as fun as removing your own eyeballs

[Ythan]

VOTE: jjh

I kinda regret that already

Please tell me all about how to find scum.

[Cephrir]

you start by not confidently pushing things that are wrong

[Ythan]

If you're going to act condescending make less shitty arguments because "you're wrong" is disappointing.

[Ythan]

Like for real is your answer really to place a bad vote and then waffle to make up for it.

[AGar]

Also look how pure that Ythan wagon is

It's crazy we live in a world where a player could post this.

Calling shit pure without a flip is a very weird thing that people on this site do and I still laugh when people think mafia players don't have outrageous egos.

[innocentvillager]

i think the average person in general has way bigger egos than we might think, online anonymous mafia just happens to be a good activity that draws egos out lol

[Bell]

^ It's hard for everyone.

Job training for a month, 6 hours a day everyday. I'm not sure how it will effect activity besides negatively.

VOTE: Luca

No, you were pretty clear that you were covering old ground. You've had a small burst to activity but the takes are lukewarm.

Bell humor me for a second, what do Datisi and lilith2013 think of me rn lol

don't ask them if they haven't given an opinion already, probably not that productive, i'm just curious

Lilith says they're scum reading you, they feel your reaction to the beginning of the day in response to Dunnstrall was really weird and they don't think you're as obvtown as you made yourself out to be.
Lilith felt D1 you played up the cute and clueless angle as (duck?) liked to put it. They're conflicted on whether they just don't like your playstyle, they think in a vacuum without a previous game they'd lean that you were more likely scum than town and felt you're more force/anxious here than you were in the previous game.

Datasi is playing a videogame.

[implosion]

29

In the name of the town Twentynine Palms, California
The number of the French department of Finistère

Vote Count 2.4

jjh927

(3): Dunnstral, innocentvillager, Cephrir

Ythan

(3): Almost50, Titus, AGar

Almost50

(2): Xtoxm, Ythan

Titus

(1): mastina

AGar

(1): Hopkirk

Luca Blight

(1): Bell

Bell

(1): Luca Blight

Not Voting

(3): Winter Flakes, jjh927, OkaPoka

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 28, in (expired on 2021-02-28 15:00:00).

[Bell]

Why isn't Oka voting anyone

[OkaPoka]

a50 is nuts
ythan is mean
jjh is boring
flakes is flaked
bell improving
luca is omgusing?
mastina is snow

i am suffer