Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[Alisae]

it's not behavoir that only comes from scum. It can come from town too

[Meuh]

ah yes so you got the same rhetoric one game therefore it'll always come from scum yes love it

This post seems very defensive and condescending, which I'd expect to see from scum trying to shut down a townie's argument by making them look dumb.

[Alisae]

ITS BAD LOGIC MAN THE FUCK YOU WANT ME TO DO

[Meuh]

Respond to it in a non-scummy and actually helpful manner? Especially since most of the people here are trying to learn.

[Kazyan]

And you guess 2nd? What do you foresee changing then that’s different to now that’ll make you be comfortable voting for chosen now?

I mean, he's a null for me, so if I'm not getting my Meuh elimination and Alisae isn't happening, I have to compromise further. There's a specific reaction or lack of reaction from 2ndchosen1 that I'm anticipating, based on what I know of his emotional character from before Mafiascum, which will point towards being scum or not being scum. If the 13-hour days he's talking about conclude before the deadline, I'll have a chance to see the reaction or lack thereof.

As for results-based thinking...sure. Fine.

[Meuh]

And you guess 2nd? What do you foresee changing then that’s different to now that’ll make you be comfortable voting for chosen now?

I mean, he's a null for me, so if I'm not getting my Meuh elimination and Alisae isn't happening, I have to compromise further. There's a specific reaction or lack of reaction from 2ndchosen1 that I'm anticipating, based on what I know of his emotional character from before Mafiascum, which will point towards being scum or not being scum. If the 13-hour days he's talking about conclude before the deadline, I'll have a chance to see the reaction or lack thereof.

As for results-based thinking...sure. Fine.

How would you feel about Harumi getting elim'd today?

[Alisae]

Alisae could get to 3 votes

[Alisae]

Krazy, Meuh, Kazyan

Could be interesting to see what that wagon becomes, there's at least 2 town interested in me so if you can make it happen its possible scum could bite

[Kazyan]

It's going to be an enormous cognitive effort to get even slightly better at this game if using past experience to inform my current decisions is a fallacy. If that's the case, I shouldn't bother playing Newbie games after this, because playing Newbie games wouldn't help. There's god-tier play in the Newbie queue now anyway.

How would you feel about Harumi getting elim'd today?

Wouldn't like it.

[Alisae]

I can say for sure Krazy being interested in me isn't scum motivated
Kazyan is possible that he's a town who really believes I'm scum all of a sudden even tho I think him flipping from me being scum to suddenly being town then being scum is weird?
and also I like Meuh they seem more townie then Kazyan, chosen, and Harumi and I think at least 1 of those players has to be scum.

[Alisae]

Wouldn't like it.

why?

[Alisae]

It's going to be an enormous cognitive effort to get even slightly better at this game if using past experience to inform my current decisions is a fallacy. If that's the case, I shouldn't bother playing Newbie games after this, because playing Newbie games wouldn't help. There's god-tier play in the Newbie queue now anyway.

It's part of the learning process.
You should try to miselim me I think it would produce good information it's just that you need to make sure krazy lives if possible he'll know for sure what to do with that information I think?

[Alisae]

also me flipping town proves that it's bad logic no?
It's a learning process it takes years.

[Kazyan]

Wouldn't like it.

why?

Because I think she's town. She reminds me of Lunar or Elements in my previous game, who just thinks differently than the townblock and doesn't apologize for doing so. See her nonstandard readslist for why.

also me flipping town proves that it's bad logic no?
It's a learning process it takes years.

It does and it is. I mean, town is probably losing this game anyway, judging by the environment, so it'll be a good example of how to think in the end.

[Meuh]

I can say for sure Krazy being interested in me isn't scum motivated
Kazyan is possible that he's a town who really believes I'm scum all of a sudden even tho I think him flipping from me being scum to suddenly being town then being scum is weird?
and also I like Meuh they seem more townie then Kazyan, chosen, and Harumi and I think at least 1 of those players has to be scum.

Why does one of us need to be scum?

[marcistar]

It does and it is. I mean, town is probably losing this game anyway, judging by the environment, so it'll be a good example of how to think in the end.

Don't think like this its a bad thought process to have

[Alisae]

we don't know yet if town is losing this game or not.
If chosen and harumi are both town then things are looking pretty bad tho.
Her thinking differently than the townbloc isn't a town indicative trait. You have to look into why she's doing that. 451 gives nothing to help us as to how she got into those conclusions.

Actually its really strange because you look at 451 and she has 4 players at null how is this possible at this point in the game? You should be able to find up with plenty of reasons to townread players in this game.

[Alisae]

I can say for sure Krazy being interested in me isn't scum motivated
Kazyan is possible that he's a town who really believes I'm scum all of a sudden even tho I think him flipping from me being scum to suddenly being town then being scum is weird?
and also I like Meuh they seem more townie then Kazyan, chosen, and Harumi and I think at least 1 of those players has to be scum.

Why does one of us need to be scum?

ur not part of the "kazyan chosen and harumi" and because the rest of the player's just seemed more town?
I would be very surprised if there wasn't at least 1 scum in there. Even if we included you, if "kazyan, you, chosen, and harumi" were all town I would be very surprised.

[Alisae]

You got your options of
Me
Meuh
chosen
Harumi

Kazyan seems like the only one who looks like he could be exploiting the gamestate and Krazy definitely seems town.

If all of {Kazyan, Me, Meuh, Chosen, Harumi} are town, I can't point to anyone who is exploiting the gamestate.
Italiano is trying to hold Kazyan for a post that I also thought was weird
Marcistar is just doing her own thing and is pushing Harumi.
Also I don't really know what Cantrip is doing in this gamestate but he seems to be acting independantly and is probably town. Like he's trying to sort through me and krazy and figure out whats going on. It could be townie I think?

So you have {Krazy, Italiano, Marci, and Cantirp} acting independantly
you have {Kazyan} who seems like he's exploiting the gamestate but also can be a villager because he seems like he wants to be right
and the you have {Me, Meuh, Chosen, Harumi} which is the pool of elims for today.

Hence why, if {Kazyan, Meuh, Chosen, and Harumi} all flipped town, I would be very surprised.

[Alisae]

{Kazyan, Meuh, Chosen, and Harumi} all flipping town means I have no idea what is going in this game.

[Alisae]

for Krazy to be scum, he has to overnight start liking to play scum, completely dodge me who has a really good read accuracy on him, and play extremely well.
So I would be happy to give him the W if he's scum because this is significant improvement for him if he is.

[Meuh]

{Kazyan, Meuh, Chosen, and Harumi} all flipping town means I have no idea what is going in this game.

Well I know one of them are town so you never know

[Alisae]

btw its very unrealistic to think Krazy could potentially fool me in this game.
I replaced in and there's no way he could have predicted that I would replace in within the first 10 pages.
His gameplay up until he replaced in is good, his read on me and his interactions with me seem good so if he's scum considered me fooled

[Alisae]

{Kazyan, Meuh, Chosen, and Harumi} all flipping town means I have no idea what is going in this game.

Well I know one of them are town so you never know

I mean yes there has to be ATLEAST 3 town in those group of players, that's just math.

[Alisae]

wait no not 3, 2. I can't count and I'm saying "that's just math" LOL.
But yes I townread you in those group of players