Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[Krazy]

UNVOTE:

I want cantrip to know he can vote anywhere without it being a functional hammer

choose the wagon of your heart's content cantrip

[Alisae]

Krazy does chosen's latest posts help you?

[marcistar]

Marci, what do you think about 2ndchosen

i dont see anything scummy in them ^.^ so i dont think its the best vote for today

[Kazyan]

I think the window may have passed on my plan for 2ndchosen1 that I've been alluding to, so I'll just explain it here for the benefit of the town. I know from our friendship that 2ndchosen1 is easily frustrated and will voice those frustrations in exaggerated language. My theory is that, if he were town, he would have voiced those frustrations to

us

, but if he were scum, he would have told

his scumbuddy

in their private topic. I was kind of hoping that we'd run him up to E-1, I could say "intent to hammer" over some flimsy reason when he was around, and see if he threatens to quit Mafiascum. With that in mind, it's a good idea to review his reactions to the E-2 speedwagon.

I did some more thinking about compromise votes. Harumi would be...fine, I guess. I think she's a townie, but if we're not voting the actual scum, then I'd rather we get rid of a townie that isn't advancing the gamestate much. Another compromise wagon I'd be comfortable with is self-voting, because if we miselim someone, I'm going to be an easy push on Day 2--and then we get to ELo with 2 mafia left. Flipping myself as town would really inform the town for Day 2, I think.

[2ndchosen1]

i don't think I'd get that salty over a D1 elm to threaten quitting the site, after all I can still win, it's just suboptimal. but otherwise, that hurts.....but is a lil true.

[Krazy]

No. Nononono. do not self vote. Do not talk about self voting. Do not.

No. *hard no*

[Krazy]

Do you think chosen would take out his frustration over being pushed day 1 as scum by active lurking or do you think his muted response to his wagon was town indicative?

[Alisae]

If self-voting is good for you me and Krazy will tell you to self-vote.
The only reason why I could think of a reason for you to self-vote is if we absolutely need to do everything in our power to secure an elim, in which case, self-voting is good, because elimin is better than not eliming

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.11:

2ndchosen1 (2) -

Meuh, ItalianoVD

Meuh (2) -

Kazyan, Harumi Ayasato

Krazy (1) -

2ndchosen1

Harumi Ayasato (1) -

marcistar

Not voting (3) -

Alisae, Cantripmancer, Krazy

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 will end at 11am GMT on the 20th February 2021 - (expired on 2021-02-20 11:00:00)

[Alisae]

at least when it comes to THIS game.
There are other reasons but that's the only reason I think would apply for this D1.
Otherwise just don't self-vote, you have no reason to and the information that not self-voting provides is way more than the information that self-voting provides. I also desperately need this information.

[Krazy]

Self voting is only an option if you need to self hammer at 20 minutes left or something, there's no reason to even talk about it with over 24 hours left

Chosen why are you still voting me?

[Krazy]

We got 36 hours left

I want to see where trip votes off italiano, chosen needs to get off me regardless of his alignment, and alisae if you actually want harumi I don't get why you're not voting her

Why is this vote count so passive

[Harumi Ayasato]

Honestly it isn't looking super good since we don't have any solid kill candidates at any point

Not much coming from me, since I made the mistake signing up for two games, and this game is very active so it's hard for me to keep up with it.

Kinda starting to loosen up on Meuh though since their latest posts seem productive, so marcistar is probably my candidate for now but that's really tentative.

VOTE: Marcistar

[Alisae]

ya
lets go chosen
VOTE: chosen

[Krazy]

Trip I won't snaphammer so you can still vote chosen if you so desired

harumi remind me of your chosen read? Also what do you think of alisae so far?

[Krazy]

Kazy your wagon is dead, you've lost harumi and at this point if meuh is scum you should just blame me in post if you're town

who do you want after meuh?

[Harumi Ayasato]

Trip I won't snaphammer so you can still vote chosen if you so desired

harumi remind me of your chosen read? Also what do you think of alisae so far?

I had initial bad vibes but I decided that it was probably just me rather than anything actually scummy from them.

I don't like Alisae's hyperposting, because it's my opinion that hyperposting is antitown because town should want everyone's viewpoints. Not too much from them otherwise though, especially since eth0s did nothing.

[Alisae]

I don't like Alisae's hyperposting, because it's my opinion that hyperposting is antitown because town should want everyone's viewpoints.

I can do both

[Krazy]

Kazy still town for you yeah? How do you feel about italiano and cantrip?

[Kazyan]

Kazy your wagon is dead, you've lost harumi and at this point if meuh is scum you should just blame me in post if you're town

who do you want after meuh?

Alisae I guess, but that's not happening either. So I guess Harumi or 2ndchosen1. None of my scumreads are going to be eliminated, so I'll just sheep the leading wagon.

Regarding 2nd's reaction to the E-2 wagon, I don't know.

[Alisae]

i don't think I'd get that salty over a D1 elm to threaten quitting the site, after all I can still win, it's just suboptimal. but otherwise, that hurts.....but is a lil true.

miseliming isn't suboptimal or bad.
If have the room to make mistakes then its okay for you to make mistakes and also miselims can also help re-align reads. It really doesn't matter when you kill both scum as long as you kill them at some point.

[Alisae]

Like miselims are okay if you use the information in some way or form to help you.
They're not okay if you just ignore the flip and continue what you were doing.

[Krazy]

alisae could very easily go through day 2, especially if I am dead

also alisae I think 579 was saying he'd get tilted if he was scum, it's a post written from 'what would I do if I was scum and got pushed to flip d1' isn't it?

[Krazy]

Alisae I guess, but that's not happening either. So I guess Harumi or 2ndchosen1. None of my scumreads are going to be eliminated, so I'll just sheep the leading wagon.

Regarding 2nd's reaction to the E-2 wagon, I don't know.

you think meuh/alisae is the team?

[ItalianoVD]

On IVD:

29, contrary to Alisae's perspective, is the kind of post that raises my hackles because it sounds like trying to pre-emptively explain behavior that IVD feels needs to be explained.

I get scumread and voted on for townhunting early, so I wanted to let people know that before they automatically scumread me for doing it, there is basis for it and to have an open mind or at least a discussion.

119 votes Harumi with a sorta meh "don't know why you're acting the way you are but either way it's not helpful so vote you" meander, but that follows where you'd been focusing. Could be scummy, but isn't a red flag.

I don’t like when players refuse to open up or answer questions. For me it doesn’t help town and if you’re ain’t helping town, you gotta go.

190 I already mentioned that I sorta liked the way you responded to my naked vote, but didn't like that you seemed to be more focused on it than your casual inquiry let on. I had a bit of mindmeld on your comment on eth0s's 67, as I thought similar things.

I never responded to this when you said it last time, but I made a note to do so; my bad. Simple, I was catching up and was going in order of the things that stood out to me. Your vote was just first on the list. You can look back at the sequence of posts if you don’t think so.

@IVD:
Can you rephrase what you were getting at in 48?[/post]

Yeah. I was agreeing and embellishing on krazy’s 42. I was saying that scum wouldn’t go out of their way to post 18 and would struggle to keep up the facade, which Meuh has been able to do the whole game. If she is scum then she’s done a marvelous job in my eyes. (No pocket intended.)

You never answered my question about 285: Are you familiar with Too Scummy to Be Scum (or Too Wolfy to Be Wolf)?

Yeah I’m familiar with it, but it’s a fallacy for me. I rely on Occam’s Razor as much as possible.