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dunnstral, is that all you've got to say?
that is scummy in what way ... ?In post 493, Andresvmb wrote:
It’s crossed my mind. They seem over-explainy to me so far.In post 481, VP Baltar wrote:
Who thinks Datisi is scummy?In post 479, Elements wrote:Datisi - Haven't figured out how to read this one. I think he's generally quite towny, but other people don't? Not rlly sure what to think.
don't worry about it, take a break and feel better, irl > dumb internet game, etc.In post 496, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:re: datisi its a sorta complex question that involves reanalyzing and compartmentalizing my bizzare thought process. my brain tends to avoid hard questions so sorry.
when you can, i'd like to hear the thought process, if you can lay it out without ~giving info~. also interested in why you put testa as top town.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- VP Baltar
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So your catch up after being gone for two days is three fairly weak reply posts and nothing much to say about the giant reads post your top scum read Elements just made?In post 487, Andresvmb wrote:Let me catch up really quick, I’ll be around for a bit.
I rescind my town read. Andres stock is falling fast.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I guess the only way to find out who is right is to run you up!In post 501, Dunnstral wrote:vp you do you but you're wrong about my meta
You can take a look at some of my town games if you're interestedYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Re: GC - over aggression is way more likely to be a scum trait, imo. Scum are fake scum hunting, so will often push points past an obvious conclusion because that would mean the scum would then have to come up with an entirely new angle to push. That is work when you are scum. Town is way more relaxed because those lines of inquiry emerge naturally as a result of having no actual clue what is true and what is false.In post 491, Duchess wrote:
Makes you suspicious of what exactly?In post 329, VP Baltar wrote:GC also felt a bit townie, but the aggression on both sides of that dispute makes me suspicious.
"Absent" is an extremely generous way of describing Elements's thread activity at the time. Were you aware they were dodging my direct questions while continuing to interact with my wagon from the sidelines? There is substance in Elements's absence that you didn't touch on here at all.In post 392, VP Baltar wrote:
I think the likelihood they are all town seems quite low actually.In post 376, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:hot take but the top 3 wagons here are TvTvT
Italiano is opportunistic enough to just be bad scum here, but maybe elements has some thoughts to add on that since he caught him before.
Dunn's answers sound like they are coming from a vitamin salesman. "You will FEEEL younger, I swear."
Elements has been pretty absent, but I felt town there early.
I don't like the way you've approached RTP in this post. Rather than caring to understand how they've come to those conclusions, you show up to throw a little one-liner grease on the fire for each wagon and then drop it. What's your current read of RTP?
That, of course, doesn't mean town can't be aggressive. I'm just looking at authenticity vs. manufactured outrage.
Re: "dodging" your questions and elements - I don't know what you want me to say. You think I should be hyped up about some interaction you're having with Elements? I don't remember reading anything of substance there, but maybe I skimmed it or it seemed boring to me. We're other players picking up on this? Or you think there is a reason I, in particular, should have noticed this?
My current read of RTP is lean town. I'm trying to recalibrate to the change in style by Koba. They are a very good player, and I tend to not assign concrete reads early in a game anyhow because I'm often wrong and need to stay flexible until I have a good working theory of the game. I try to especially stay flexible on players who are very good.YOUR AD HERE- midwaybear
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I'm pretty sure this is meta for him. TBH, I don't think I can read Datisi very well.In post 493, Andresvmb wrote:It’s crossed my mind. They seem over-explainy to me so far.
Oh ok, I get this. I also feel like this is what most people are looking for in interactions?In post 495, Duchess wrote:the most important takeaway is probably not the substance of the answer itself, but whatever can be determined from its context, tone, timing, consistency with other posts, word choice, omission of information
496 feels genuine from RTP, but I'm echoing VPB's thoughts in that I'm relatively more cautious in reading players who are decent enough at scum. Still a townlean though.- Datisi
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what gives you this impression?In post 506, midwaybear wrote:TBH, I don't think I can read Datisi very well.
btw you read the game yet?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- midwaybear
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I think I have trouble reading players with your style in general. This probably goes to Duchess as well. Basically people who ask a lot of questions.
I don't think I have read the whole game, but I'm reading bits and pieces because of the slower pace.- RLotus
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RTP has this utterly confident attitude like "of course I am town it would be absurd for you to question that". This is most obviously illustrated by their audacity when it comes to ignoring questions they don't feel like answering, laying these little "traps", and withholding information that they don't want to give out. This comes from a self assured town conviction, as if they don't give a shit if they do something scummy, they aren't going to be scumread because they are obviously town.
Also, they are very clearly trying to solve the game with their questioning and lines of reasoning. I'm confident that RTP is town.- Green Crayons
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I don't hate this interpretation.In post 509, RLotus wrote:utterly confident attitude"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Andresvmb
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Can you explain to me why you don’t think Elements is Scum here? I spent some time slowly re-reading the game, and for the life of me I can’t seem to agree with their worldview at all, and I think them putting me as Town was to appease me.In post 385, Datisi wrote:edit: ok, after writing this post but before submitting, i went to iso andres to see if he's talked about his elements vote, and he actually did, he saw their vote as the scummiest one on the duchess wagon. so that breaks my theory and makes me feel better on andres. false alarm, carry on with your day, everyone. /edit- RLotus
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What about their world view?In post 511, Andresvmb wrote:
Can you explain to me why you don’t think Elements is Scum here? I spent some time slowly re-reading the game, and for the life of me I can’t seem to agree with their worldview at all, and I think them putting me as Town was to appease me.In post 385, Datisi wrote:edit: ok, after writing this post but before submitting, i went to iso andres to see if he's talked about his elements vote, and he actually did, he saw their vote as the scummiest one on the duchess wagon. so that breaks my theory and makes me feel better on andres. false alarm, carry on with your day, everyone. /edit- Andresvmb
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I’m almost done catching up while having re-read the game. I’ll post my worldview and you’ll get what I mean.In post 512, RLotus wrote:
What about their world view?In post 511, Andresvmb wrote:
Can you explain to me why you don’t think Elements is Scum here? I spent some time slowly re-reading the game, and for the life of me I can’t seem to agree with their worldview at all, and I think them putting me as Town was to appease me.In post 385, Datisi wrote:edit: ok, after writing this post but before submitting, i went to iso andres to see if he's talked about his elements vote, and he actually did, he saw their vote as the scummiest one on the duchess wagon. so that breaks my theory and makes me feel better on andres. false alarm, carry on with your day, everyone. /edit- Andresvmb
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Do you think this is something a Partner would do as Scum? Because I seriously doubt it.In post 462, Green Crayons wrote:RTP's preemptive claim of a secret town tell for Harumi doesn't sit right with me (particularly bc he refuses to engage on it).- Andresvmb
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I feel like you’re trying too hard to explain yourself. I don’t know, it’s a vibe I’m getting.In post 502, Datisi wrote:that is scummy in what way ... ?- Andresvmb
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Right now, this summarizes how I’m feeling about slots this game.
Slight Lean Town
{Harumi Ayasato, Testarossa, RTP, RLotus, Green Crayons, Dunnstral}
Neutral
{Duchess, VPBaltar, ItalianoVD}
Slight Lean Scum
{Elements, Datisi, Lunar Martian/midwaybear}
I agree that RTP is Town. I’m probably overly cautious there right now, but I like their take on Testa / Harumi and I found myself agreeing. RTP / Koba is naturally suspicious of me so it is what it is.- Andresvmb
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It’s rare that I find Scum giving up D1. I’ve yet to see it on this forum. I don’t find that a “nail in the coffin” at all.In post 521, RLotus wrote:Nah Italiano bites back when he gets scumread as town, the defeatism is the nail in the coffin imo- Andresvmb
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I read all of their posts and thought they made sense. I mean it’s early right I don’t have that much confidence that one is right. But I wasn’t particularly pinged. If anything I’m finding pushes there a bit opportunistic, and maybe that’s informing my read too.In post 519, Dunnstral wrote:why testarossa town?- RLotus
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He said himself that he isn't good at scum and gets caught easily, I think the defeatism makes perfect sense for him as scum here.In post 522, Andresvmb wrote:
It’s rare that I find Scum giving up D1. I’ve yet to see it on this forum. I don’t find that a “nail in the coffin” at all.In post 521, RLotus wrote:Nah Italiano bites back when he gets scumread as town, the defeatism is the nail in the coffin imo - RLotus
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