Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[Alisae]

VOTE: Chosen

L-1 please claim we have 27 hours before day ends we're not fucking around here

[Krazy]

Why are you not claiming? If you were TPR I would hope you would have done something to get this wagon off you well before now.

You can still be flip flopping on slots and move your vote to the person you currently think is scum. Regardless of alignment I don't get why you're not voting a viable counter-wagon. You should be voting Harumi here probably.

I'm still very confident on several townreads, my lack of confidence on day 1 scumreads has more to do with the fact that it's day 1, I have very little information to go off, and am dealing with a lot of weird positioning people have done on your wagon.

I explained current POV on Italiano and Trip here, on this same page we're currently on: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12607582

If you continue to not claim I think we just hammer you with no claim.

.... if you regard your reads list as shitty and barebones, why was the other readslist also shitty and barebones? where is your non shitty and non barebones reads list?

[Alisae]

Chosen you will not survive this day phase w/o claiming so just do it.
The sooner the better, we're on the clock.

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.12:

2ndchosen1 (4) -

Meuh, ItalianoVD, Krazy, Alisae

Meuh (1) -

Kazyan

Krazy (1) -

2ndchosen1

Harumi Ayasato (1) -

marcistar

marcistar (1) -

Harumi Ayasato

Not voting (1) -

Cantripmancer

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 will end at 11am GMT on the 20th February 2021 - (expired on 2021-02-20 11:00:00)

[Harumi Ayasato]

Alright, seems like there's a general agreement that it's either me or chosen? And since chosen isn't claiming for ????? reasons and since most of my top scumreads have no chance of being lynched, I'm going to go ahead and go to them now.

INTENT TO HAMMER - CLAIM NOW

[Cantripmancer]

You never answered my question about 285: Are you familiar with Too Scummy to Be Scum (or Too Wolfy to Be Wolf)?

Yeah I’m familiar with it, but it’s a fallacy for me. I rely on Occam’s Razor as much as possible.

It's a fallacy as in, you rarely/never see mafia acting wolfy intentionally to invoke that concept?

In 347 you said you were going to go back and try to show me what you meant on Chosen/Krazy; did you do that/can you if you didn't?

Yup, was waiting for someone to ask me.

So I was specifically talking about chosen’s 143 post.

Now compare that post to his 215 post.

Notice the difference in tone? Maybe you do, maybe you don’t, but I did.

I hadn't noticed, but I see what you're talking about.

I never responded to this when you said it last time, but I made a note to do so; my bad. Simple, I was catching up and was going in order of the things that stood out to me. Your vote was just first on the list. You can look back at the sequence of posts if you don’t think so.

Actually I looked back at it myself and saw that it wasn’t in fact in order. Oh well.

It sounds like you really believed that you had just responded to things in order, so + for sincerity.

Try not to ogi yourself town by asking publicly about daychat trip, ask the mod by pm stuff like that

Oop, my bad. Yeah, I'm used to just asking questions to the mod in-thread. I'll be better about that.

Question: Is mafia daychat the standard on this site? Or more common than not?

can you explain why you asked this actually, like were you imagining some sort of PT communication with Marci or Harumi?

Yeah, I haven't had a chance to go back and sift through the timeline, but I suspect that the defense of Chosen from Marci/Harumi started about the time it began to look likely that Chosen was going to be the elim. Just trying to figure out if they would have been able to coordinate the idea behind the scenes.

I feel good about Trip, the one concern is just how long it took him to case Italiano and the kinda slowness in moving back to pushing someone else. If he's scum I guess he's working very hard to present towniness so I appreciate that, but *often* he is just town here, and I really liked 140 still

Bit of self-meta, so I'm sure you'll take it with a grain of salt, but taking a while to case Italiano is NAI for me. I tend to have very specific times that I can participate, and all too often I end up having time for

only

catching up and responding, with no opportunity to pursue the analysis I want to do. Similarly, anyone who's played with me as scum knows that I'm perfectly capable of putting in the effort, so me "working very hard" is pretty much NAI, too.

.... if you regard your reads list as shitty and barebones, why was the other readslist also shitty and barebones? where is your non shitty and non barebones reads list?

This was almost literally the thought I had.

Waiting on the claim that was comin' comin'
Waiting on the role to come to light
Can't move ahead too soon; we're all waitin' on you
Waiting on the claim, yeah, yeah
- With apologies to Milli Vanilli

[Cantripmancer]

@Harumi: No comment on my hot take? Is Chosen going to flip town?

[Meuh]

inb4 2nd claims masons with Marci

[Kazyan]

I give him an 85% chance of a town flip.

[Meuh]

2nd better flip scum, if he doesn't then i'll feel dumb

I'm like 63.29% on him being scum tbh

[ItalianoVD]

2nd’s flip should give us valuable information regardless of alignment. The positioning of slots around his will be telling.

[2ndchosen1]

if you regard your reads list as shitty and barebones, why was the other readslist also shitty and barebones?

....what? of course it was, I'm working 13 hour days and am generally tired., I'm frankly surprised no one clutched their pearls and wnet *gasp* iioa! course that'd be to easy and I'm already on the chopping block, might be better to do nothing and letem hang.

I'm not vlaiming. you can hammer a policy on me if you want for that. msybe I am PR, naybe I'm not. yiu can take that chance. ;et's be honest ylu'll hammer me for all this snyway.

I don't movr my vote to wagpns to whatever is the current hot wagon, I don't want to be a sheep

@kasyam what're your current thoufgts on my wagon? am I acting as expectef?

[2ndchosen1]

2nd’s flip should give us valuable information regardless of alignment. The positioning of slots around his will be telling.

exactly

[2ndchosen1]

either way the wagon either needs to be moved or your chips are in on it.

[Kazyan]

@kasyam what're your current thoufgts on my wagon? am I acting as expectef?

I can't say anything for sure, but I have a gut feeling that you flip VT.

[2ndchosen1]

@kasyam what're your current thoufgts on my wagon? am I acting as expectef?

I can't say anything for sure, but I have a gut feeling that you flip VT.

why's the gut got ya goin? can you expand? as if I do survive that tells me nothing and I may as well think that your defense is as thought out as marci's

[Kazyan]

Something about how the town has come around to your wagon doesn't sit right with me; it seems like there was a big push at first that just slowly converged as a number of compromise votes, and I get the sinking feeling that scum are leading this game--such that their step 1 is dunking on you as an easy miselim.

[Kazyan]

Like, there have been a ton of people going "my vote is functionally on 2ndchosen1, but I don't want to put him at E-1." It could be that A) both scum are shy and trying to help push the wagon along while avoiding actually having to be on it, or B) scum have controlled the conversation such that this looks like the only viable wagon even though the town isn't really feeling it. Case B) would be really bad.

[Krazy]

Hammer him.

[2ndchosen1]

are you telling Kazyan to do it? or anyone?

[Krazy]

Anyone off-wagon, doesn't matter who

[Krazy]

I can't say anything for sure, but I have a gut feeling that you flip VT.

this is a little scummy from kazy but we're still hammering chosen now

[2ndchosen1]

oh we're at any dissenting opinion this late in the wagon is scummy?

[Krazy]

No, arguing you specifically flip VT feels scummy, saying you flip town is fine

[Krazy]

Why can you suddenly engage in real time now that you're dying but you've refused to do so for the entire preceding dayphase