Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[Krazy]

Hammer him.

Anyone off-wagon, doesn't matter who

[Kazyan]

No, arguing you specifically flip VT feels scummy, saying you flip town is fine

Okay, I've been letting you and Alisae lead the town conversation around via hooks-in-the-nose for this entire day phase, but now you're just blatantly browbeating me. Scum

don't know where the power roles are

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[2ndchosen1]

apologies for not being around more, literally got 13hr days at work till thurs. i am tired when i get back.

today is friday

[Kazyan]

VOTE: Krazy

[Krazy]

True, but scum would know whether he flips town or scum here. There's worlds where he flips town, but the worlds where he flips town require him to be doing gambits when he shouldn't be doing gambits and should just be playing straight. Saying he flips VT requires first presuming he flips town and then working out why he is playing this way as town. I also considered the world but I wouldn't call it a top pick.

Why do townies always flip on me when I say they're scummy for defending scummy play. He's playing very scummy. You assuming he flips VT over scum is kinda scummy, but you're still probably town. Hammer him.

[Kazyan]

No.

[Krazy]

Like you feel like I'm browbeating you but fmpov you've mostly spent this day aggressively fighting me on everything and tunneling someone I think is town. I know that from your recent games you might be like "damn I need to be the one leading things and stuff" but like, it is okay to just work with people sometimes.

You should not let someone who lurks the entire day and then refuses to claim go to day 2. Even if he's town he's the correct flip here because scum will be able to use all of day 2 as a pretext to just go back to him which will make the gamestate unreadable. Town needs this flip now that he's refused to claim.

[Alisae]

This probably flips town but refusal to claim is just so bad :/

[Krazy]

Consider that like, three people have just been vote parking on quasi-vanity wagons all day: you, chosen, and marci. You were like hard locked on Meuh but could not towncase chosen. Marci was hard locked on Harumi but could not towncase chosen. Chosen dropped two readslists and continued to vote park me even when I wasn't in my PoE. To win a game of mafia, you have to at least be willing to vote someone you think is mafia. I should NOT have more than one hundred posts from this dayphase. The only reason that happened is because people are being too stubborn. This day should have been over literal real life days ago, right or wrong we should *already* have a flip and frankly we should *already* be on day 2.

It's entirely possible chosen is town. It's entirely possible harumi is scum, or even that harumi is town too and I'm 0/2 in my PoE. That's all possible. My goal has to be to get the game to having a readable gamestate, and if someone *has totally incomprehensible vote logic because they're not voting their scumreads* then they have to go because it will be impossible to find them town which means the scum will just be able to continue to push them with no recompense.

Sometimes it is just okay to let town be a little wrong.

Is it possible I should have compromise with Marci and switched to Harumi? Sure. But I'm never doing that after the refusal to claim. Because if chosen was too hard to read before, he's WAY too 'noisy' of a slot to leave to day 2 now.

[Kazyan]

This is setting an absolutely terrible precedent to go back on a hard "no", but I'm just done. Here goes. VOTE: 2ndchosen1

[ItalianoVD]

I don’t disagree.

[ItalianoVD]

^that was in response to 683

[Alisae]

Guys if ur town, plz claim when u get to l1 or theres intent. Doesn’t matter what alignment you are, just claim. This shouldn’t need to be said but apparently I have to say it.

[Alisae]

We might end up with a longer twilight so this is good. Krazy we should try to make use of this as much as possible.

[2ndchosen1]

if you regard your reads list as shitty and barebones, why was the other readslist also shitty and barebones?

....what? of course it was, I'm working 13 hour days and am generally tired., I'm frankly surprised no one clutched their pearls and wnet *gasp* iioa! course that'd be to easy and I'm already on the chopping block, might be better to do nothing and letem hang.

I'm not vlaiming. you can hammer a policy on me if you want for that. msybe I am PR, naybe I'm not. yiu can take that chance. ;et's be honest ylu'll hammer me for all this snyway.

I don't movr my vote to wagpns to whatever is the current hot wagon, I don't want to be a sheep

@kasyam what're your current thoufgts on my wagon? am I acting as expectef?

fwiw I did claim, I breadcrumbed vanilla
"I'm not vlaiming. you can hammer a policy on me if you want for that. msybe I am PR, naybe I'm not. yiu can take that chance. ;et's be honest ylu'll hammer me for all this snyway."
Vlaiming - V
Msybe - Replaced A
naybe - N
yiu - I
;ets - replaced L
ylu'll - L
snyway - Replaced A

[Alisae]

WHY MAN

[Krazy]

I wish I could direct night actions in a way that the (redacted) would get that scum wouldn't

I don't know how to wifom in a way to get the (night action) to occur that I actually want so I'm just not going to go there

But there's a chance a tpr thinks I want something that I'm not sure I want. I think I can say that? Idk.

[Krazy]

Maybe just claim man

[Alisae]

Why are you trying to be cute when ur at l1 and intent is declared man I don’t get it. Just claim ur role flatout.

[Alisae]

Like its so bad not to and maybe u wouldn’t have died. U might not think so but there’s a chance.

[2ndchosen1]

2nd’s flip should give us valuable information regardless of alignment. The positioning of slots around his will be telling.

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.12:

2ndchosen1 (5 - ELIMINATED) -

Meuh, ItalianoVD, Krazy, Alisae, Kazyan

Krazy (1) -

2ndchosen1

Harumi Ayasato (1) -

marcistar

marcistar (1) -

Harumi Ayasato

Not voting (1) -

Cantripmancer

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 will end at 11am GMT on the 20th February 2021 - (expired on 2021-02-20 11:00:00)

[Nexus]

2ndchosen1 - Mafia Goon - Eliminated Day 1

Night 1 now begins. It will end in 48 hours, at 8pm GMT on Sunday 21st February 2021, (expired on 2021-02-21 20:00:00)

[Nexus]

Kazyan - Vanilla Townie - Murdered Night 1

Day 2 begins. It will end at 8pm GMT on Sunday 28th February 2021, (expired on 2021-02-28 20:00:00)

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate

[Krazy]

Boom day 2 scum down and a big miss in the night

I mean Kazy was naked town after the way the hammer played out but this is still good because there might be a world where we have either auto or close to auto

This does not feel like a C game to me