Newbie 2055: City Lights [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.08

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-02-26 12:00:00).

elimination

Vasex [3]:

floo, flow trap, team rocket queen

floo [2]:

Vasex, Happy Unbirthday Boon

flow trap [1]:

Ydrasse

Ydrasse [1]:

FBJim

Not voting [2]:

fairyprincess69, KittyTacky

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[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

KittyTacky should vote floo with us so that russiabloc is united and so that the wagons are perfectly symmetrical

[fairyprincess69]

why in gods name are there three votes on vasex

[flow trap]

why in gods name are there three votes on vasex

VOTE: Happy Unbirthday Boon

Now there is not

[flow trap]

you two are the least towny. also i’ve been suspecting you all game when there was a definitively lesser amount of things to make you “easy” (i.e suspicion)

why do you feel so compelled to defend kitty specifically? why did you make sure we all knew you two couldn’t be teamed?

Clearly you have been focusing on only when I don't help otherwise you would know the answer to the first and it's just a thing I do

nope, you need to give a concrete answer for these things; a singular missed “joke”/interaction doesn’t clear you two of being teamed and jumping to a statement like that needs explanation. even if you think it’s obvious you should spell it out for everyone.

it’s also just a very awkward way of stating a read in general.

How is it not concrete, not to mention my reason for TRing them and my reasoning for why it doesn't makes sense for us to be partners are different

How did I not spell it out, I stated something town they did and they provided my reasoning for why it was towny

You can't discredit my TR on them just because I poorly explained why we can't be partners

my theory right now for you being scum, flow, is mainly your reads list and a general toneread; it feels like you’re struggling to scumread people, potentially, because you know they’re town and at best you can call them tossups. those toss ups on your reads list feel more fleshed out too because like... you can identify the towny parts, and it’s easy to add in those to make the read seem in depth, but the scumread parts fall a little flat.

that, and i’m perceiving your push onto me as the easiest to omgus, from the people who have been considering you as scum. due to my lack of activity, most likely. showboating and a vague % rate about my post content doesn’t contextualize the actual content and what about it is scummy, imo. you should engage with what i’ve been saying and what i’m trying to accomplish if i’m scum.

so if you’re town: go on, prove me wrong on my scumread, okay?

Actually, I SR more people as scum since I like to keep my options open, this can be seen with my last game as I TRed 3 people really early and had no concrete SR until later in the game, I am not OMSUSing you as I accused you first. Most of the stuff I find scummy has simply been because is it a scum tick.

i can do the things you need ydrasse to do when ydrasse is unavailable if i am available and you tell me the things you need done

This makes me uncomfortable as it seems you're trying to hard to be helpful

Ydrasse, FBJim, flow trap... You all either see him townie, or ignore him at all. And your arguments are rather strange or just bad about him.

Most of it just comes from a similar game to their town game, I oppose a shot, but I don't oppose a vote on them

I've already have a candidate who could try to buy me
In post 269, fairyprincess69 wrote:
i like how vasex seems to enjoy getting pushed on by trq in post 46. reminds me of like a jedi master enjoying the aggression in his padawan

In post 278, fairyprincess69 wrote:
yuo read vasex as upset? that's a strange takeaway. their response was a bit OMGUSSY but not overly emotional in my estimation. why can't this be upset scum, anyway?

In post 316, fairyprincess69 wrote:
vasex being town is something i'm pretty confident in at the moment though

Interestingly there are not many mentions of Fairy that I have seen, I have made a small graph once of number of times mentioned and whether they were mafia & mafia get mentioned less, I don't have a large sample, so this is nothing big just thought I would mention it (it could also be they joined later)

It's hard to see why a player with Vasex's experience, whether town or scum, does the apparent OMGUS. Some players have proposed that it's just an emotional reaction, but Vasex himself has said that he was not scared of dying - he has probably gone through a flash RVS wagon before.

It could also simply be a coincidence that they SRed each other, it's not unthinkable

I'm inclined to say flow trap by a hair just because the read list feels off for a reason I want flow and fairy to notice first.

Is there a specific listing that feels off?

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

why in gods name are there three votes on vasex

VOTE: Happy Unbirthday Boon

Now there is not

Go on...

[Vasex]

why in gods name are there three votes on vasex

Do you have any problems to vote Floo?

[flow trap]

why in gods name are there three votes on vasex

VOTE: Happy Unbirthday Boon

Now there is not

Go on...

More of a why not

FBJ - TR
Floo - TR
Kitty - TR
Vassex - Was already on them
Essay - Secret reasons
Fairy - Didn't feel like switching of off Vase when they suggested it
TRQ - Dynamics

[KittyTacky]

I was very busy today, will write something up tomorrow and decide who to vote.

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

What moved floo from tl to tr for you? How much of that read hinges on meta?

[flow trap]

TL is a TR

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

I'm curious about your secret reasons for ydra and your current read of princess

[flow trap]

I'm curious about your secret reasons for ydra

:I

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

I'm not sure I agree that floo is strong town on meta, although since they were in your last game I guess I can see why you'd be looking for similarities. I'd like to see more from them still.

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

I know, then they wouldn't be secret right? But on day 1 I need to evaluate your reasoning there

[flow trap]

I'm not sure I agree that floo is strong town on meta, although since they were in your last game I guess I can see why you'd be looking for similarities. I'd like to see more from them still.

Well you can't agree because I don't think that

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

Your reasoning for TLing floo changed?

Floo - I really like post 83, it mimics their previous town game;

What else do you like in their iso?

[floo]

At least half of these three questions are rather stupid (1.5/3 yeah) and I don't believe that you really need my answers on that. Mostly this is about the first page and empty thread, lol.

I wasn't scared that you can hang me and it is even doesn't depend on my role because I know that situation is going to change many times during such a long first day when nobody understands nothing.

Many of my actions are directed to gathering the reactions and info from my targets and people around me.

Why do you think you're safe from anything suspicious or abnormal you do on page 1? I want to know about your voting in RVS because it looks opportunistic. You complained about having a 3 man RVS wagon on you, since you are self-assumed town. But you thought it was OK to wagon flow trap, a player you said was "fine," in a flash after Ydrasse said it was OK to.

I have not read a satisfactory answer for the OMGUS. It looks like you were trying to prove a point about yourself being town, but you have also said you weren't scared of death. How come?

Maybe better to say imitation of frantic activity. And it is serious. He is asking me in the middle of the first day about my firsts posts and dissapears again.

And even the third question, which is more sensable among them, could be the attempt to check do I have an important townie role or not.

I'm asking you why you make contradictory or abnormal plays. If you can't explain them, you are suspicious. flow trap is up-front about his chaotic style and why it's ultimately (as he says) pro-town, while you dodged my questions by first saying they're silly, then I explained why they're not silly and you said you forgot why.

I asked you the "were you scared" question. If you answered yes, you would have to explain why you were scared with your experience. If no, you would need to explain why you are acting in other places like you are scared. So far you have not explained your contradictions adequately, which is why I am continuing to suspect you.

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

Who else do you suspect?

[flow trap]

Your reasoning for TLing floo changed?

Floo - I really like post 83, it mimics their previous town game;

What else do you like in their iso?

Stop changing your words

I think Floo is slightly towny it's that simple

[floo]

Yeah I agree, floo does feel like he fits into like every possible scum world almost, I feel like I remember removing one pairing for him but I can't even remember it off the top of my head. It also bothers me that he neither rejected nor tried to join the RussiaBloc

I don't feel like responding to every joke in the thread.

I feel like I'd like to see what he does with the vote given that I think we can mostly all agree vasex is a dead wagon? I'd like to see him put his vote somewhere he thinks it will do some good

I had before thought I wanted to push KittyTacky because his actions have been more inherently scummy, versus Vasex whose actions are scummy because of his inability to explain them. Talking to Vasex to learn more about him is the best of my vote now. I'm afraid that if KittyTacky is town, I will have explained the watchword to a parrot, if you understand my metaphor.

I don't really understand why you're voting me though, is this just a russiabloc joke? HUB's 426 implies that this is a joke. It literally admits that I'm the designated counterwagon to Vasex, but it's an unexpected behavior from scum to push a vote for a stated aesthetic reason (symmetrical wagons) and explicitly say I'm a counterwagon.

Vasex, if your reason for scumreading me is "slowread", I'm not. I don't need to explicitly say I "scumread" a player, but you do know the players I FoS. I'm hesitant to call any read a "scumread" in the first half of D1 because the word implies I'm confident when I really can't be.

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

Yeah I agree, floo does feel like he fits into like every possible scum world almost, I feel like I remember removing one pairing for him but I can't even remember it off the top of my head. It also bothers me that he neither rejected nor tried to join the RussiaBloc

right now since you've been exclusively pushing vasex, who I think is one of the towniest slots in the game, you feel like you fit into every possible scum world. You feel like anyone's partner. No, my vote on you is not a joke, although I don't have high confidence on you flipping scum either, you're just bottom of poe.

I guess you didn't engage with the russiabloc stuff but it wasn't really a joke, I felt like vasex and kitty are both town.

What has been 'inherently scummy' in kitty's play?

[flow trap]

right now since you've been exclusively pushing vasex, who I think is one of the towniest slots in the game,

My top Scum Pairing right now is You+Vase, so I don't find this very compelling

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

My top Scum Pairing right now is You+Vase, so I don't find this very compelling

Go on...

[flow trap]

The reasoning is irrelevant right now as your reasoning is that Floo could be paired with anyone and that Floo suspects your TR

The first is weak and general and town can be wrong, so I don't find your evidence to be compelling