In post 289, sangres wrote: In post 272, Prism wrote:Ffery makes more of a show of uncertainty here, your response tackles positioning which is a completely separate issue and doesn't matter.
Neither of you are bad at the alignment but I am scared of neither of you.
This tracks.
And Tammy, this is part of the reason I'd like to roll scum soon! So many people now only know my scum game as the husk of a mafia player that I became at the end of hiatus - not everyone knows the might of House (insert name of whatever the fuck house it was when we got snowstorm mislynched after he got a cop guilty on me). I hate that people only know me for my valleys - I want people to see what Peakcho is capable of.
Gods do I wish that site was still up and that more people appreciated the awesomeness of the symp role as we ran it. Probably some of my best showing in a scum role ever just because of the freedom.
Kinda want to help kitty team out here, but sitting back makes things readable. Might need a hug or a support group or something later, so I'll maybe provide that lol.
In post 296, Prism wrote:Finally home so I can go more indepth.
First I want to preface this by saying I'm intentionally playing more abrasively. As mentioned before, diversity is nice and I'm tired of playing friends after Iceland.
Second, at the risk of echoing the Elo in Iceland, most players who have posted feel town (Least town players to me are MathBlade, LLD, Dunnstral, all of whom have plausible reason to react these ways as town though Math continues to be ???. Spiffeh's reaction to Math is A+++ content regardless of what he is). I guess I haven't really read much Cakez/Pooky either.
Now that I think about it quiet's opening post was pretty rough.
In post 264, Tammy wrote:Although my view of Prism as town doesn't really line up with that easy of a town read on nacho hrm.
So with your bit about the high expectations, you're incorporating reads from Undertale and a bit of Xenoblade and maybe Chara's Folly/2181-things like my demands of Nacho as Replica, and my high demands of Hectic, Chara, and catboi in Chara's Folly. I don't really have any expectations like those of any of the players at this table, and I think my last two games with Nacho reinforce why the bar is very low. Texturing reads realtime with the "Wait it's this play" is super basic and I wouldn't put stock into it.
My sangres read comes from ffery atm, who I've only really seen as scum. This read has nothing to do with her meeting a certain level of townplay, but everything to do with how I think she chooses to react to me making a power move mechanically, and what she thinks
I would expect
after Iceland. She's also dead wrong about how strong of a town player I am, but in her mind I'm a "scumhunting dynamo" and not someone who should be given a solid position to lead with. Hard town slot, easily.
To be blunt, it's not that anything about her tone or whatever is outside of her scumrange, or that her positioning is disadvantageous as scum. She's just wrong that she would do this as scum, because her mind in interacting with me would be completely elsewhere.
You mentioned something about how this isn't what you've seen of my scumgame, and you're right. I'm on record as valuing a high degree of flexibility in my scumgames, I categorize my scumplay focusing around eliminating any sort of risk and positioning very safely, and have yet to fakeclaim something besides VT
ever
.
But I'd would burn this tell in a heartbeat without question, my meta record exists to be abused, as quiet recently learned the hard way.
In post 242, borkjerfkin wrote: In post 235, Prism wrote:Bork review the negative again and think, it's extremely useful as a counter to a certain role
I'm sorry if I'm being dense but I'm trying to think of the positive utility of what you're talking about other than "unable to get snowed by Cabd in the purple room this time"
There is a very niche but extremely powerful usage but I don't think it's that important to get on the same page about atm.
Now that I have more votes I'm down to swap back as sangres suggested
VOTE: Prism
Yeah, for the expectations thing. It's actually something that I noticed a long time ago, right after you and nacho hydrad for the first time. I think it was that game that nacho, mastin and gin, did that all night jam session or something, and from an outside perspective nacho was super super town, but you were really super weary, and I started my theory then that you tended to not town read easily people that you had some familiarly/expectations for. It didn't always hold because in midsummer's you townread regfan without a lot of coal raking, so then I had a theory that you townread people's posts that you could understand/appreciate on a logic level. So when yeah you outed yourself as replica, and I said oh that makes sense, it was because you raked nacho over the coals and town read chara there and it fit the theory I was building of you as a player in my head. And then yes, the other examples you mentioned reinforced that bit. Xenoblade doesn't really fit in that or at least I don't remember why it should. I'm thinking about ways you interacted with Nacho in some of the undertale games, ways you interacted with catboi and chara in that undertale game, ways you interacted with peta in damn that normal game where all the town had the power roles but scum had none. And I developed the theory that you were extra on guard for people you were familiar/close with/had expectations for.
I like the thought about positioning!
For what I was thinking about your scum game, it's not the flexibility thing or never not claiming VT, but more about my thought that you're a more conventional scum player in that I don't think it's your style to try to get town read at the beginning of the game by flavor claiming and then claiming to have sent something to another player and then having the reaction that you had towards the reactions that people had to you. That sentence is garbage I know, but I hope it conveys what I think. I think you're a bit methodical and image conscious, and while I *think* you'd be okay doing something that makes you look bad and get you limned early if you think it would do something for your team overall I guess, but I just don't think the way you approached this day makes sense for that possibility. (I did just look at the Iceland game to make sure that my thought there wasn't garbage, and while yeah you look really natural there, I don't think that point is negated.)
And ah I thought your point was based on ferry's behavior as scum in that normal, so that point is probably nevermind but maybe not, might come back to this.
Gonna stop here because we just drank some and I'm not sure if I make sense if I continue.
pedit: I have been debating whether or not to limit this phase and shut up. Earlier I wanted to bitch at people for posting too much and thought they were scum for it (pooky, lld) but now I'm wondering if these early pages while we're figuring out who should get the artifact aren't actually quite fucking important, and for myself once the weekend is over, I probably won't be posting as much anyway so.
