Newbie 2055: City Lights [game over!]

[flow trap]

And I was refering to going down fighting

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

Hammer it

[flow trap]

Stop. Arguing. Self. Meta.

I am the last player on this site you want to use self meta on.

At least I'm arguing and not moping

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

I appreciate it but I feel like scum will go for self meta and if you keep trying to push it you're going to make arguments that will be flirting with bans

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.11

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-02-26 12:00:00).

elimination

flow trap [4]:

Ydrasse, Happy Unbirthday Boon, Vasex, KittyTacky

Vasex [2]:

floo, team rocket queen

Happy Unbirthday Boon [1]:

flow trap

KittyTacky [1]:

FBJim

Not voting [1]:

fairyprincess69

mod notes

~ the vc is unchanged

flavour

[flow trap]

Town is always more offensive here

[flow trap]

And I linked it for you to read not for me to talk about

[flow trap]

And you still haven't provided a reason for suspecting me before youvoted me

[flow trap]

And Vassex hasn't provided a reason at all

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

"I do specific things at f-1" is the literal example the site uses for trust tells

Trust me you do not want to go there

I read it and I find it so different as to be irrelevant to this game, other-site-meta

[flow trap]

I feel like this is unfair, so that's why I'm acting like this

[flow trap]

I know that I'm acting poorly but I'm very emotional right now

[flow trap]

I read it and I find it so different as to be irrelevant to this game, other-site-meta

Ok Texas-Sharp-Shooter

[flow trap]

I read it and I find it so different as to be irrelevant to this game, other-site-meta

Ok Texas-Sharp-Shooter

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

Yes, you are acting like scum indignant they were caught for what you think are the wrong reasons

I feel like as town you'd have the self-awareness to know how scummy you are

I'm going to back off because I think your flail has already gone too far, someone should just hammer and stop torturing you

[flow trap]

I feel like as town you'd have the self-awareness to know how scummy you are

I do which is why I've been addressing it

[flow trap]

VOTE: Vassex

[flow trap]

I'm going to back off because I think your flail has already gone too far, someone should just hammer and stop torturing you

You just don't want to look any worse when I flip town

[flow trap]

I need a break, don't shoot me without a chance to defend myself

[FBJim]

pretty much every slot has had some sort of negative/shading interaction with flow trap, i really don't think they're partnered with anyone, and their playing almost identically to their town meta from last game

FT is throwing up so much dust that i don't even know if deducing partnerships or lack thereof from their posting is possible. well i'm pretty sure HUB isn't their partner at least lmao

i am not happy right now bc i halfway am between not wanting to end early with a bait elim that my gut tells me flips green, and idk if i'm galaxy-braining myself into ignoring FT's actions because of that

i still dont like the e-1 post by KT which is my most justified read for a countervote/wagon personally. if you have the appetite to join in or any suggestions im open


@flow trap idk if this is just you or if it's part of some grand strategy of trying to make your meta unreadable but

Play to win -

this particular game, not some future one

, and keep it fun!

in other words if this is some attempt to obscure your meta and make yourself hard to read or just some grand gambit, please don't freaking do that!!!!

[flow trap]

FT is throwing up so much dust

you mean points that support my agrument

[flow trap]

Can we like take a step back here and focus on other people, I feel like I've got half of the attention

Like Kitty said that they could only articulate a read on me and most of what Essay said has been about me

Like I know I'm town and when I flip you're not going to be left with a lot

[floo]

I'm definitely having problems sorting flow trap, what is mere playstyle and what is alignment indicative. But it's premature to hammer flow trap. HUB you might have said everything you think about flow, but there are other players voting flow trap who need to justify their votes.

I've heard accusations of "white knighting" from HUB and KittyTacky. This term as I recall means scum defending a town for the latter's own advantage, either to seem towny or to keep alive a useful idiot. I've yet to hear whether this means scumpartners defending each other or scum defending town. The white knighting argument does not actually analyze how the defense relationship between myself and flow looks, using tells like bad reasoning (S+S) or pocketing (T+S). Simply defending another player is not a scumtell.

KittyTacky's argument against me is that my posts are centered around defending flow trap. this is a scumteam read, i.e. both of us are Mafia partners. "floo only defends flow" is easily debunked look at my posts about Vasex and Jim, unless of course you think me pushing Vasex is a chainsaw defense (scum defends partner indirectly by pushing who is voting the partner). Kitty's scumread is based on flow's style ("generally acting sus"). As someone who has played with flow before, flow's style is just flow - you need to quote some particularly scummy posts to justify the vote. By how you took flow's PR claim joke seriously, it seems that you should learn the same thing as FBJim. You are biased against less serious posting styles.

I see why flow scumreads Ydrasse too. If I am to take the reason of 274 and ignore flow's "secret" reason (@flow you may be forced to reveal depending on if this conversation draws out), I agree Ydrasse has done a lot of socializing, less problem solving. 348 is invalid, you cannot blame a town!flow trap for not being able to find the scum in the first half of D1. Second, if you're the easiest to OMGUS, consider why. Perhaps you're the scummiest? If so, it's natural for him to scumread you the most. The end line also feels wrong. If flow trap wants to "prove you wrong," he needs to a) start scumreading more people and b) stop omgusing you. In other words, vote someone else. Ydrasse also mentions a toneread but not exact; if you want flow trap to start acting town, you need to explain what parts of his style he needs to change.

@fairy glad you noticed flow trap's readlist. Less bluffs here with only one scumlean in the readlist with explanations. I think flow might have been bluffing in the first reads post without the explanation but later dropped it for his secret reason. I used to think it was suspicious if he said he was still bluffing this game but only scumread one player. I see he's improved from the "short and sweet," unexplained style from last game, but still wants to bluff. Fair. He may have changed his mind about the bluffs and, instead of making new bluffs, was caught up defending itself.

I need to read flow trap's iso to actually read him, but my point is that at least two votes on flow are unjustified.

[flow trap]

Oh yeah that reminds me the HUB+Vasex thing was a bluff, most of the original readlist was true

[floo]

how are "tossup" reads meant to be bluffs?