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you think you're obvtown enough that me voting you makes me scum?In post 800, midwaybear wrote:I'm not sure why you would trust fall Tess/BM when it looks like your read is a weak gth townlean.
BM voting me is also somewhat questionable.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Agree that elements is probably town.
Italiano
-It's not like he could not be open about his scumgame. Dodging the question is much more suspicious than just giving an answer
-This relaxed energy sometimes feels fabricated (the stuff like "I'll obvtown", "come at me")
-If this is true, then I agree it is townie (going after the person townreading him)
-I'm not sure how "making statements that can be backed up" is town indicative?
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-meh I think it is somewhat of an unnatural thought to care about that, but this could be wrong
-Can you give some examples of honest reads from Italiano?
-This is fine
Have to go soon, but for your points on Andres, I'd like some examples of his solid stances/good analysis. Everything else is mostly nullish to me.- midwaybear
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Your reason for voting me was terrible.In post 801, Battle Mage wrote:you think you're obvtown enough that me voting you makes me scum?- Battle Mage
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terrible!? how so?In post 803, midwaybear wrote:
Your reason for voting me was terrible.In post 801, Battle Mage wrote:you think you're obvtown enough that me voting you makes me scum?
we've moved some way from "somewhat questionable" to "terrible" in the space of 2 postsShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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i think it's probably slightly hard to judge my reason for voting you, given I didn't go into a full and thorough explanation of it. So I could understand you saying "he didn't give a clear reason" or "he didn't explain his reason properly". But to say the reason was "terrible" doesn't really make sense.
Additionally, given my vote on you lasted all of what...30 mins....what conclusion do you draw from my vote moving? A logical conclusion might be that I didn't myself see the reason for voting you as being particularly strong.
I feel like you've jumped quickly here and not put all the pieces together first, but interested to see how you respond?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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If im reading every player u think im missing the scummy stuff too?In post 796, Datisi wrote:
> writes a list with only describing positive things about playersIn post 786, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I feel as though if i am right on elements/GC then datisi/vp contain last maf based on how quick they both reacted to my fos on those 2 - please sheep this if both elements and GC indeed flip scum.
> concludes 2 scumreads from that list
> "if i'm right, they're scum for reacting to my fos"
you're joking, right?
Lol?- Reformed Toxic Player
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Scummy discred - looks bad for u if either elements or GC flip scm.In post 799, Battle Mage wrote:
When I ISO'd Lunar earlier I recall thinking their positioning was a bit haphazard, and there was one post by midwaybear which read really badly to me.In post 795, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Explain why u think midway is scummy.
The more you talk the less i think youre conversing in good faith
Im off break see yall later
A couple Q's:
What do you see as Lunar Martian's town meta vs scum meta?
What about my posts is not "good faith"? Disagreeing with my read doesn't imply my read is bad faith - and you have seen I have many reads and they do evolve over time.
I also still want you to answer this:
until you do satisfactorily, I'll VOTE: Reformed Toxic Player to give you an extra incentiveIn post 793, Battle Mage wrote:
please tell me more about this - specifically what was i weird around, and how?In post 787, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Oh and BM was also weird around it. I forgot about them lol- Reformed Toxic Player
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Tess is gth town - bm has tanked that so farIn post 800, midwaybear wrote:I'm not sure why you would trust fall Tess/BM when it looks like your read is a weak gth townlean.
BM voting me is also somewhat questionable.- ItalianoVD
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Yeah those were the main reasons. And I didn't mean to seem short with you.In post 652, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:thanks. it was an important question - i wanted to see if you had any particular reasoning which does help me sort you.
also my apologies I was distracted as I am usually so.
In post 655, Andresvmb wrote:@RTP I think there’s Scum pushing Italiano. I don’t think this frustration/defeatism is coming from Scum, but honestly, I have revealed this to be a bit of a weak spot for me. I obviously think midwaybear’s seeming POE for today is rubbish, and I need you to look a bit closer there. I also don’t like Datisi’s 618 (seems like Scum sidelining a player that is maybe an easy push here). However, this whole thing is a bit binary. If they’re right about Italiano, then I expect {Green Crayons / Datisi / midwaybear} and to a lesser extent VPB to come out looking stronger for it. If Italiano is Town, then it’ll make it more obvious that we’re in part being led astray by Scum.
There's really nothing else to say here. These are my sentiments exactly.
If Lotus was scum, he knows I'm town and while scum can/do tunnel townies I don't know how common it is, so while I'd like to think he's scum, I don't know how likely it is. I am gonna look at that.In post 659, Elements wrote:Is there a reason you're voting GC over RL?
You're saying you don't know which person on your wagon is scum, but have only one of them in your limpool and townlean another one, why not try to figure out which one is scum?
I feel better here right now.
VOTE: midwaybear- ItalianoVD
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The fact that it doesn't at least somewhat frustrate you or allow you to understand why someone else would be frustrated by it is telling to me.In post 663, Datisi wrote:1./5. the game is dead because 4-5 people are barely playing or not playing at all and the moderator had abandoned us for half a week too. wow.
Have you read my iso? I've pretty much given all my thoughts up to this point.In post 663, Datisi wrote:2. where are you trying to figure it out? like this seems more like complaining about being voted than actually, idk... genuinely sorting anyone? like you have 3/4 people that are pushing you as confusing/null/weird.
I am not ignoring you, but your takes to my responses are one of the things that have been annoying me. So I try to leave and then come back so I can give you a better less annoyed response, unless you want the unfiltered versions.In post 663, Datisi wrote:also i feel like you're trying your best to ignore me while throwing sideways shade at me and i Do Not Like It- midwaybear
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Respond to what?In post 805, Battle Mage wrote:interested to see how you respond?
What post?In post 799, Battle Mage wrote:there was one post by midwaybear which read really badly to me.- ItalianoVD
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I'm not the greatest at scum, but come on man, I don't flail as scum. And tstbs isIn post 667, VP Baltar wrote:Stalling is not useful for the game state and sometimes tstbs is actually just flail scum.
What?! No it doesn't, because you can try to actually find scum to flip instead. This is careless fmpovIn post 667, VP Baltar wrote:At the very least, a flip of Italiano gives info and progression.
Nice! Hopefully you're town buddy. Come help me out.
Pssh, let's go.In post 671, Battle Mage wrote:
i got u famIn post 650, ItalianoVD wrote:In post 649, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
whats been annoying you?In post 648, ItalianoVD wrote:
I am confrontational this game because I’ve been annoyed this game.In post 640, midwaybear wrote:I'm taking note that Italiano seems to be somewhat confrontational this game.
1. The fact that I can’t figure out this game. It’s stalled and I don’t know why.
2. I know there is at least one scum on me at the present and I can’t figure it out.
3. Trying to figure it out seems moot because my credibility is shot currently.
4. Being scumread for being transparent.
5. The fact that this game is dead, oh did I mention that already.
This is why I’m annoyed. It ain’t just one thing. And I ain’t replacing out; that’s not what I do, I wouldn’t want anyone coming into this slot anyway, wouldn’t be fair to them. Gotta try my best to clean it up.- ItalianoVD
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Where this is one time your assumptions won't get you killed.In post 681, Battle Mage wrote:
definitely feel the emotion here. happy to assume Italiano is locktown - I think Italiano-scum has more self-respect than to run this as a gambit.In post 454, ItalianoVD wrote:Re: 451 & 452
Well, you know, it might be better to vote me out then cause it's apparent I'm not gonna be of help to the town. I've been lazy man. All that stuff I do as town, I just didn't/don't feel like doing it this game, especially on Day 1. I don't know why, I just don't. Slots have been pinging me, but I just don't really feel like going in depth with it, hoping that gutreads would be enough. I know that's bad and not helpful, however, information can still be gleaned from my flip.
Another thing is I feel like everything I do and say is getting scumread and everything I answer is not good enough , and it feels like I'm just digging my grave deeper and deeper the more I post and interact. It's part of the game so it's cool, but it's also exhausting. If/when I do get to E1, I definitely won't hammer. I'm not gonna cutoff the discussion like that. And I'm not scum, I'm just bad townie this game.- ItalianoVD
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How do you sort it then? Just vca?In post 679, Battle Mage wrote:
Dunn is always lurky. I think I've played lots of games with him but he normally stays pretty quiet so hard to remember. We're 27 pages deep though, so let's make something happen.In post 677, Datisi wrote:
he bein' kinda lurky and not townyIn post 674, Battle Mage wrote:what's the case on Dunn?
my townreads be votin' there
i'm a sheep
the game has kinda not done much in the past 2-3 days
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that's not what i said? lol???In post 806, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
If im reading every player u think im missing the scummy stuff too?In post 796, Datisi wrote:
> writes a list with only describing positive things about playersIn post 786, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I feel as though if i am right on elements/GC then datisi/vp contain last maf based on how quick they both reacted to my fos on those 2 - please sheep this if both elements and GC indeed flip scum.
> concludes 2 scumreads from that list
> "if i'm right, they're scum for reacting to my fos"
you're joking, right?
Lol?
like my issue is that you made a list where you listed nothing but positives on people, then concluded that you have two scumreads based off that, *then* went "oh they reacted to the fos quickly, if this is red, that's scum"
my issue isn't step 2 (which was weird but your explanation to that was *fine*), it's step 3
making a seeming contradictory read like that then calling out people for questioning you about it is ??? like do you genuinely think that whoever tf questioned you on that is grounds for some 9000 iq associate read as opposed to whoever was currently online and reading the thread?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- ItalianoVD
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You're wrong dude. Read my iso with me as a townread. If you come back and still scumread then fair enough, but I don't fell like you've done that.In post 726, RLotus wrote:Italiano is scum- VP Baltar
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Errrrrrtttt, wrong.In post 808, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
Tess is gth town - bm has tanked that so farIn post 800, midwaybear wrote:I'm not sure why you would trust fall Tess/BM when it looks like your read is a weak gth townlean.
BM voting me is also somewhat questionable.
BM has been way more town than Tess.YOUR AD HERE- ItalianoVD
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This is garbage. Why didn't you say anything?In post 758, VP Baltar wrote:
I have been thinking this as well. It is very one dimensional.In post 753, Battle Mage wrote:there is a distinct lack of progression in RLotus' ISO. Started with townreads on RTP and Duchess...and they remain the top 2 townreads. and has been only really focussed on Italiano since a few days ago.- Datisi
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i understand why someone would be frustrated, and i am not enjoying the (used to be) crawl-pace of the game either. that's not the issue. the problem is that you're framing it as a great mystery that you've spent so much time thinking over, "i can't figure out why the game is stalled" when the answer is plainly obvious? it's performative and reads fake. like, even in this very line. "it is telling to me." it's telling *how*?? what are your conclusions??? like why do you seem afraid of genuinely saying something (i'm assuming it's a negative view of my slot here) and are sidestepping it like this???In post 810, ItalianoVD wrote:
The fact that it doesn't at least somewhat frustrate you or allow you to understand why someone else would be frustrated by it is telling to me.In post 663, Datisi wrote:1./5. the game is dead because 4-5 people are barely playing or not playing at all and the moderator had abandoned us for half a week too. wow.
Have you read my iso? I've pretty much given all my thoughts up to this point.In post 663, Datisi wrote:2. where are you trying to figure it out? like this seems more like complaining about being voted than actually, idk... genuinely sorting anyone? like you have 3/4 people that are pushing you as confusing/null/weird.
I am not ignoring you, but your takes to my responses are one of the things that have been annoying me. So I try to leave and then come back so I can give you a better less annoyed response, unless you want the unfiltered versions.In post 663, Datisi wrote:also i feel like you're trying your best to ignore me while throwing sideways shade at me and i Do Not Like It
yeah, i opened your iso and ctrl+f'ed the names of the people who were voting you at the time. there was no conclusion on baltar, there was no conclusion on me, nor on lotus. it boiled down to "it's weird, it's unreadable, i think your play if off", and i didn't find anything that's actually showing you're sorting the slots. which i find to be problematic when your post says "i can't figure it out."
i'd say give me the unfiltered versions, but i'm prone to shitfights myself so for the better of the game, maybe not. like sorry if i'm annoying you, that's not my intention, but i don't think you're town right now and i'd appreciate if i didn't have to pull teeth to get responses from you?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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tell me more, tell me more
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- VP Baltar
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I don't write out every thought I have. It's usually only if I feel strongly about something.In post 821, ItalianoVD wrote:
This is garbage. Why didn't you say anything?In post 758, VP Baltar wrote:
I have been thinking this as well. It is very one dimensional.In post 753, Battle Mage wrote:there is a distinct lack of progression in RLotus' ISO. Started with townreads on RTP and Duchess...and they remain the top 2 townreads. and has been only really focussed on Italiano since a few days ago.
Like, you've definitely said scummy shit this game, but I'm also in the back of my mind thinking Lotus only has one scum read, which isn't a super realistic town perspective on D1.YOUR AD HERE - VP Baltar
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