Where did i call italiano town early?In post 842, VP Baltar wrote:Frankly, I also think RTP has been a little TMI about Italiano. They have been calling him town since SUPER early, and there was a period there when that definitely was less than obvious.
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weren't you like questioning Datisi over their italianio vote early?In post 850, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
Where did i call italiano town early?In post 842, VP Baltar wrote:Frankly, I also think RTP has been a little TMI about Italiano. They have been calling him town since SUPER early, and there was a period there when that definitely was less than obvious.
I'm going from memory here, so it's possible I'm wrong.YOUR AD HERE- RLotus
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DevastatingIn post 851, VP Baltar wrote:jk, I don't feel confident enough to call the scum team, but I do think an old man just meme'd you, and that must hurt.- VP Baltar
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Although looking at your iso, you did question Italianio later on the "are you good at scum" debate.In post 852, VP Baltar wrote:
weren't you like questioning Datisi over their italianio vote early?In post 850, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
Where did i call italiano town early?In post 842, VP Baltar wrote:Frankly, I also think RTP has been a little TMI about Italiano. They have been calling him town since SUPER early, and there was a period there when that definitely was less than obvious.
I'm going from memory here, so it's possible I'm wrong.YOUR AD HERE- Reformed Toxic Player
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vp this bad faith push on me is frankly a bit odd bc based on my read of the game you do lean town here.
Im always going to be flip floppy d1 and like.i said earlier, stagnant reads are more scum indicative than ever changing ones.
I was more careful with italiano since he did say he was good at scum but since he said he is bad at lying i marked it as an easy read/able to get him to spew if I catch him.
I get off work in about an hour so ill finish up my trustfalls then and then ill go into detail about my GC /elements read.
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What makes him towny here? I looked myself and i wasn't townreading him anymore.In post 840, VP Baltar wrote:
I don't think GC is really scummy, so yes, your analysis doesn't look great.In post 835, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Also do you disagree with any of my analysis thus far, and with what? Anyone whos played with me KNOWS you have to catch me as scum based on my reads.
My reads as scum are super stagnant. This is not the case here.- VP Baltar
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I didn't get super scum vibes out of his fight with duchess. I can't say he has done a lot memorable since then, but I could say that about a lot of people (ahem, harumi).In post 858, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
What makes him towny here? I looked myself and i wasn't townreading him anymore.In post 840, VP Baltar wrote:
I don't think GC is really scummy, so yes, your analysis doesn't look great.In post 835, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Also do you disagree with any of my analysis thus far, and with what? Anyone whos played with me KNOWS you have to catch me as scum based on my reads.
My reads as scum are super stagnant. This is not the case here.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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But the fact you've completely changed your playstyle kind of negates your own meta, yeah?In post 857, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I just think im like playing a really tryhard town meta this game bc of my switch up in playstyle to be less toxic and i do suggest those who have played with me consider that before yiu try to hardtunnel me based on a verbal slip up which i make regardless of alignment.
And it doesn't read like just a verbal slippage, it's a completely wrong account of how you personally viewed the game. Accidents definitely happen. But you're asking me to believe that you couldn't remember if you had too many scum reads or town reads?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Actually, maybe it was Harumi I was thinking of, not. Italiano.In post 40, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Very.
You locktowned Harumi out of thin air.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Yeah. Believe it or not my perspectivr changed on reread when i reset my view on the gameIn post 860, VP Baltar wrote:
But the fact you've completely changed your playstyle kind of negates your own meta, yeah?In post 857, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I just think im like playing a really tryhard town meta this game bc of my switch up in playstyle to be less toxic and i do suggest those who have played with me consider that before yiu try to hardtunnel me based on a verbal slip up which i make regardless of alignment.
And it doesn't read like just a verbal slippage, it's a completely wrong account of how you personally viewed the game. Accidents definitely happen. But you're asking me to believe that you couldn't remember if you had too many scum reads or town reads?- VP Baltar
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Can you tell me more about this? What led to this reset and on who?In post 863, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Yeah. Believe it or not my perspectivr changed on reread when i reset my view on the gameYOUR AD HERE- Reformed Toxic Player
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Its really as simple as "i did a reread after a couple days off from the game and had a new perspective and forgot about my old one"
Like i can't defend myself about being accused of lying abt something im being honest abt except to say "this is why this happened" which i already did .
Similar thing happened in datisis desperation day - ppl accused me of lying when i was being truthful.- VP Baltar
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Who specifically did your read shift from scum to town when you reread?In post 865, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Its really as simple as "i did a reread after a couple days off from the game and had a new perspective and forgot about my old one"
Like i can't defend myself about being accused of lying abt something im being honest abt except to say "this is why this happened" which i already did .
Similar thing happened in datisis desperation day - ppl accused me of lying when i was being truthful.YOUR AD HERE- Reformed Toxic Player
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Italiano was the biggest oneIn post 866, VP Baltar wrote:
Who specifically did your read shift from scum to town when you reread?In post 865, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Its really as simple as "i did a reread after a couple days off from the game and had a new perspective and forgot about my old one"
Like i can't defend myself about being accused of lying abt something im being honest abt except to say "this is why this happened" which i already did .
Similar thing happened in datisis desperation day - ppl accused me of lying when i was being truthful.
I wanna put out that lunar/midway became a more solid townread there, even though I wasn't scumreading there.
Andres I started to townlean rather than nullscum
The latter part of the PL is more who i was more unsure of - thus why i was thinking my last solve read would be there
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What I'm noticing with VPB is that he seems to be sitting by and looking for mis elims where he can get them, whilst being non committal to his reads (except Dunn), as if to avoid looking bad when they flip town. At first it appeared like he was scum hunting, but his recent interactions with BM made his intentions more apparent.
Taking advantage of Duchess v GCIn post 222, VP Baltar wrote:
As a reformed toxic player, I'm sure you wouldn't understand casual combativeness.In post 221, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
You call that combative?In post 219, VP Baltar wrote:
Are you usually this combative as town? Or is this game pissing you off?In post 212, Duchess wrote:Bring the smoke then, a vote puts about as much pressure on me as the bottom of a puddle.
Yeah, I think Duchess had a bit of a bad faith response to GC
Gauging interest on IVDIn post 291, VP Baltar wrote:@andres - what are your thoughts on IVD?
Taking advantage of mine/Datisi's push of ItalianoIn post 363, VP Baltar wrote:
What if Italiano really is just scum here?In post 356, ItalianoVD wrote:Let me take a chill pill for a minute. I read your 306 Duchess. I’ll respond it to it later. Same with you @Datisi wrt 272
UNVOTE: Duchess
Taking advantage of RTP's scumread of DuchessIn post 394, VP Baltar wrote:RTP, you still think Duchess is most likely scum here?
Can you hit me with the cliff notes case?
Again with the Italiano pushIn post 546, VP Baltar wrote:Italiano, can you respond specifically to this contradiction Lotus has highlighted around your own views of your scum ability?
This one is fair, since that is his main scumread.In post 612, VP Baltar wrote:Since we are slowly grinding to a standstill here without much original line of thought, I propose we just run Dunn to L-1 and force a claim.
Gauging interest on andreIn post 668, VP Baltar wrote:Datisi, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on andres. (Did I ask that already?)
Taking advantage of BM's Suspicion of elementsIn post 688, VP Baltar wrote:
I'm listening. What are you seeing?In post 687, Battle Mage wrote:i'd do elements today if we could get a majority
Also is dunn at E-1 now?
Egging on BM's thoughts of meIn post 758, VP Baltar wrote:
I have been thinking this as well. It is very one dimensional.In post 753, Battle Mage wrote:there is a distinct lack of progression in RLotus' ISO. Started with townreads on RTP and Duchess...and they remain the top 2 townreads. and has been only really focussed on Italiano since a few days ago.
Jumps on the RTP wagon, even though I don't think BM is even scumreading there (?)
As you can see, VPB is just kind of going wherever he can find a mis elim and not really where he believes scum are.
And two instances where it is apparent he is being non-committal (even though his only hard stance has been Dunn scum anyway)In post 570, VP Baltar wrote:In post 568, Datisi wrote:
@baltar, in your opinion, how's andres stock doing?
Stable at low levels. Not falling, but not rising either. I'm not entirely convinced these two exchanges show what I'd expect from a town mindset. On a gut level, it feels like some bullshitting explanations for stances.
Fence sitting andreIn post 622, VP Baltar wrote:
Sure, anything is possible. After that exchange, I don't think andres is for sure being scummy, but if I wanted to read him that way, it's certainly plausible.In post 620, Dunnstral wrote:
Do you think he could be tmi defending me here? (assume I'm town)In post 589, VP Baltar wrote:My point is that your opinion on dunn doesn't logically flow.
Now, people say illogical things all the time. I certainly do. But if someone came in the thread and had Dunn listed near the top of their town reads list, you can believe I'd be suspicious of that person given how that is clashing with my viewpoint as a town member.
Fence sitting on ItalianoIn post 459, VP Baltar wrote:I hate that my guy says Italiano is town and every word out of his mouth is scummy.
I still want to yeet Dunn.- RLotus
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Also I don't like that VPB's only hard stance is Dunn being scum, because he has been lurking, which is a super weak reason. Yet, every other slot he seems to be wishy washy on. Like his reasoning on Dunn is as weak as the slots that he is unsure about, so why is he being so heavy handed with Dunn??- RLotus
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Another note. VPB and Datisi have a strange connection this game. The most obvious thing is that Datisi followed VPB both to Dunn and to RTP. I've also noticed reading through VPB a couple moments where VPB and Datisi were kind of just assuming each other's alignments, as if they already have knowledge of each other's alignments.
Idk if scum would really make it this obvious their connection to each other. I'm not going to jump to conclusions atm, but it is something interesting to note for later.- RLotus
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Oh and they haven't really stated that they townread each other, so the explanation isn't easy as thatIn post 871, RLotus wrote:Another note. VPB and Datisi have a strange connection this game. The most obvious thing is that Datisi followed VPB both to Dunn and to RTP. I've also noticed reading through VPB a couple moments where VPB and Datisi were kind of just assuming each other's alignments, as if they already have knowledge of each other's alignments.
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this is sorta the place im also looking at if one of GC/Elements ends up being town.In post 871, RLotus wrote:Another note. VPB and Datisi have a strange connection this game. The most obvious thing is that Datisi followed VPB both to Dunn and to RTP. I've also noticed reading through VPB a couple moments where VPB and Datisi were kind of just assuming each other's alignments, as if they already have knowledge of each other's alignments.
Idk if scum would really make it this obvious their connection to each other. I'm not going to jump to conclusions atm, but it is something interesting to note for later.
ive basically PoEd it down to 5 names i think. (if i reread both VP/Datisi and they're town that makes it even better)
GC/Elements/BM/VP/Datisi <- this PoE may likely win the game here.
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