Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[marcistar]

I think this kill could've been one made by Marci, since the kill does throw shade on me in the form of Kazyan pushing me yesterday, and since I had already mentioned that 2nd/Marci was a likely duo, putting a dent in my credibility could be a good idea. No clue why Kazyan would be specifically seen as PR, though

I don't mind flipping, but I hope you enjoy the result of my flip!
You starting the day with so obviously thinking its me over anyone else makes me heartbroken i thought we were bffls, i thought u knew how i play better... hehe but if ur so sure xoxo

what would u do if its not me??

i have no idea why kazyan was the one killed @italiano or whoever asked that
i feel like looking into who they sused would've been something we should do, because i know from games.. some games ive played mafia sometimes decides to kill whoever suses them but isnt seen as "reliable" and it usually isnt looked into then but its fine ((:

meuhs so opposed to anyone who isnt me, i think i should just be the elimination to clear up everyones confusion!! (unless if somebody has something better).
hehe x3

[Krazy]

lol marci your positioning there is really scummy <3

anyway who you think is maf?

as for kazy, again I don't want to shut down spec, but I think kazy was probably killed because they hammered in the middle of chosen trying to do his VT claim gambit thing which meant they were almost never s/s

I guess we could evaluate their fos too but I'm not sure that's a stronger indictment than the other reasons scum kill kazy there

[Alisae]

I think this kill could've been one made by Marci, since the kill does throw shade on me in the form of Kazyan pushing me yesterday, and since I had already mentioned that 2nd/Marci was a likely duo, putting a dent in my credibility could be a good idea. No clue why Kazyan would be specifically seen as PR, though

generally speaking the best night kill analysis can only be done when you let people play their hands and be proactive.

[Krazy]

I was more saying that I think the idea that Kazy kill points to Meuh is weak, not that people shouldn't talk about it

I can step back, sorry

[Alisae]

Krazy you can do whatever it is that you want to do

[Alisae]

I like to play my games very reactively so I need proactive players like you to continue to do proactive things.

[Krazy]

Yeah just been a pissy mood all day

probably hung over from last night I guess

I'm super pumped about this game but I might be a little snappy

need harumi posts since I think her view on gamestate is most interesting to me right now

[Krazy]

@Harumi

You know your alignment which means you are functionally the most informed player in the game about who is or is not mafia

hit us with your reads when you can <3

[Cantripmancer]

Alright Marci read time

I've played an online mafia game with Marci where she was mafia before, and from what I can gather from that game (and to some degree from her town games too), Marci is the type of player who would try very hard to keep their partner or herself alive. Marci in those games seemed to view short term gain (mafia with more numbers) as more valuable than long term gain (mafia members not associating, keeping the mafia townread). In the game, she almost got eliminated, but survived to the end of the day by fakeclaiming a PR role. That fakeclaim, while it allowed for a miselim, left the mafia a lot more obvious, and we were elimed on the next few days.(

That loss was also partly my fault but that's besides the point

So what does this mean? I think it means Marci would be reluctant to push for her partner if it put her at any serious risk which is why I think Harumi/Marci is pretty unlikely. Also I think that Marci might try to push to save her partner, even to a point where it might be obviously scummy like she could be doing here, protecting 2nd. If 2nd is elimed and flips scum, I think there's a lot to look into with Marci.

I'm pretty conflicted on Marci honestly, the general vibes are townlike, but the whole reaction to 2nd is just... off, it's weird. It feels like she's both distancing from 2nd and also pushing hard to get votes off of him, and those 2 things feel conflicting.

Marci you better not be scum I wanted us to carry

I think Marci is very likely our scum here, although like others have said, Harumi and Cantrip are also fairly likely

Very possible and on top of that, I didn't see anything from kazyan that made it seem like he was a pr (which is probably the main reason for his nightkill) so I'll be trying to sort that as well.

What do you think of it? @Alisae @krazy @Harumi @Marci @Cantrip what are your thoughts on the night kill?

Sorry all, I have a really bad headache and I'm off to bed. Will post more tomorrow.

[Krazy]

pretty much
I'm town lean on Italiano, Kazyan, and Cantrip
IVD has good takes, posts like 67 especially sing town
Kazyan's 109 seems to be a decent analysis of a D1 posting pattern on Krazy.
Cantrip's interaction with Kazyan looks towny to me.

Nulls for the rest right now

Meuh, I believe that you're being scumread as your listings are just that. there's no real substance to them beyond "THIS IS MY CURRENT POSITION". it's a weak iioa that doesn't advance any position or generally help. If anything it appears like an attempt to look like you're trying to solve.

@kazyan why does Krazy's "pocketing" of marci point to a krazy/marci team? I see that there's mentioning of jokeclaiming masons as there's hard townleaning. I don't see that as pocketing Marci as mafia can certainly identify town. I find it more indicative of Krazy than Marci.

VOTE: Krazy

These posts make me feel a little stronger that Italiano was a designated pocket and are a bit concerning for marci. In 135 he doesn't identify marci as a townlean, but in 186 he accuses me of "identifying town" -- it would make sense for a scum chosen to position me as tmiing a scumbuddy as town, maybe.

The total lack of interactions here with harumi keep a chosen/harumi world open tho but this makes me feel betyer about italiano more than anything else.

[Krazy]

I currently see marci as a null, the defense doesn't exactly pocket me and she is clearly asking for more on your thought process on me rather than an actual rush to my aid. Some of the more recent ones even mention that she doesn't see me as innocent but wants to see more of your reasoning. It's not pocketing me, it's not even fighting for my innocence, just wanting to know more from you and me. I see the action as a whole NAI.

@meuh is what kazyan's done really enough of an attack on Krazy that it could be called chainsawing? yes or no, and why you think so, if you'd please.

@krazy, I thought it was kazyan, not marci, you were accusing of chainsaw?
"Technically it'd be more accurate to accuse you of chainsawing, I think,

Kazy.

"

It's also kinda weird that he doesn't just call marci town here

[Krazy]

The pool of 3 in 550 is a little concerning for cantrip tho

[Krazy]

Yeah his iso mostly gives me italiano town, I don't think I can rule out any of harumi, marci, cantrip from it

I'm kinda thinking we're probably in a scum off wagon world. If alisae is scum then chosen actively fought back against coaching which is possible but doesn't feel super likely

[Krazy]

Basically, I think {harumi, marci, trip} ends the game in town win. But I'm not 100% sure which order is correct. I think usually I go harumi first (without an inno) but some of trip's posts do in fact look a lot worse on chosen redflip. And marci's iso at this point is marci's iso

[Alisae]

actually i think this game is over

[Alisae]

I'm super stoned so like, I'm not going to play my hand for no reason.
But I'ma just say it right now I think this game is over.
I'm nowhere near ready to play my hand anyways so I don't think I'm going wait, I just thought of something and got excited and couldn't contain it shit mybad kekw

[Meuh]

I think eliming Harumi here would make more sense, considering the general lack of content that could burden us in the long run, and the fact they were very distanced from 2nd.

I do think this is very likely a Marci mafia, the invocation of Kazyan's read on me feels off to me, and if she likes the "person who was killed's suspicion is likely mafia" thing so much, that'd make sense with a Kazyan kill, especially since I said I thought 2nd/Marci was very likely. The general tone of her latest post reminds me of the way she played the day she was caught for fake-claiming PR in the scum game I played with her, she seems very annoyed.

@Marci who do you think is our mafia here? or just general thoughts on Cantrip/Harumi could be nice.

UNVOTE:
VOTE:

Harumi

[marcistar]

I do think this is very likely a Marci mafia, the invocation of Kazyan's read on me feels off to me, and if she likes the "person who was killed's suspicion is likely mafia" thing so much, that'd make sense with a Kazyan kill, especially since I said I thought 2nd/Marci was very likely. The general tone of her latest post reminds me of the way she played the day she was caught for fake-claiming PR in the scum game I played with her, she seems very annoyed.

ofc whatever i do at this point is gonna seem scummy

but fr guys vote me if itll help town i dont mind

tho i do have problems with you right now, its probably because i just very much dont agree with how you see my play style. also bringing up outside of the current game information is a way i find easy to miselim since nobody can actually expand on those points except the people involved.

lol marci your positioning there is really scummy <3

anyway who you think is maf?

i dont mind if my positioning is scummy, just get me out if itll help town already!!!

im still sure harumi is scum

Spoiler:

also oof i think i just ate some raw bread dough

[Krazy]

Remind me of scum harumi reasoning, overall?

[Krazy]

Ngl marci the vibe I'm getting from you is way more 'scum that doesn't want to wait a dayphase to lose' more than 'town pumped there's no one holding her back from diving harumi anymore'

I get you could be pressured town but you feel off to me today

[Krazy]

Confused why you are not at present voting harumi

Also! I hope that bread dough does not upset your stomach

[marcistar]

Remind me of scum harumi reasoning, overall?

excuse me while i think for a second..

yeah all i got is they have unconfident vibes.

Ngl marci the vibe I'm getting from you is way more 'scum that doesn't want to wait a dayphase to lose' more than 'town pumped there's no one holding her back from diving harumi anymore'

I get you could be pressured town but you feel off to me today

Its fine if you think that way, but i wouldnt throw as scum unless if i have other members alive to try to make it a "purposeful throw".

im off because i feel sad i thought chosen was actually busy so i felt bad for them but i guess i was wrong

Confused why you are not at present voting harumi

Also! I hope that bread dough does not upset your stomach

Im not voting harumi because im waiting for them to get in because I realize that I could just have a mindset of "harumi scum" and be tunneling them no matter what right now.

I'm waiting for them to get in to see what their play would be (if they would push me more, etc.)

Though I don't like how meuhs metaing me, when i die either meuh will feel very bad or very good (:
(also btw, did i miss it? didnt i ask meuh in 725 what would she do if its not me, did she answer at all? )

Spoiler:

also nah, stomach not hurting but head hurting instead

[Krazy]

Aww I hope your head feels better

Yee I think we need to see some content from harumi for sure

[Harumi Ayasato]

Italiano, you want to massclaim when you have a massive lead over wolves because massclaiming is really great at accelerating leads.
This is especially holds true in more larger games.
I think our lead is strong enough that it should be fine to accelerate it w/ massclaim, but to be safe I asked Krazy if he thought it was fine because he's probably more familiar with newbie games than I am

Yeah I get this, it just seems unnecessary in this game. We've caught one scum. If we go under the premise that no one bussed then Chosen's partner is/was offwagon, which leaves Marci, Harumi, and Cantrip and I'm sure we'll be able to sort it. Massclaims make more sense when there is a larger game as you mentioned and there are more roles involved, but like I said I'm down for it. I feel good that town will win this one.

Don't forget that I was planning to hammer, but someone beat me to it.

I'm going to wait to give a readslist until we decide for sure whether or not we're massclaiming because that seems to be something that hasn't been decided yet. (For the record, I wasn't FNed.)

Marci, since you seem to be scumreading me based off of vibes, who would you say is your top scumread?

[Krazy]

Actually readslist post flips but pre massclaim is more valuable since it may play a part in determining massclaim order, I'd go ahead and drop where you're at