TM 2021 Large Normal 2: Wikipedia Integer Facts (Over)

[Ythan]

Lot of announcing itg.

[Winter Flakes]

tasty

[mastina]

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta.

Lady Lambdadelta
just: scum.

Lady Lambdadelta has been eliminated on Day One. She was a

Vanilla Townie

.

I will fight hard against eliminations on:

{hercule/Luca Blight}

hercule/Luca Blight
^This is the townlock: the names that were very very strongly town on D1, but on D2 I'm not sure are townbloc material. I still maintain that they are poor eliminations.

Luca Blight has been eliminated on Day Two. He was a

Mafia Goon

.

(Throws hands up in the air)

I give up.

I was better off in iteration #1 of the game where I had two scum as scum and two scum as locktown.

[mastina]

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta.

Lady Lambdadelta
just: scum.

Lady Lambdadelta has been eliminated on Day One. She was a

Vanilla Townie

.

I will fight hard against eliminations on:

{hercule/Luca Blight}

hercule/Luca Blight
^This is the townlock: the names that were very very strongly town on D1, but on D2 I'm not sure are townbloc material. I still maintain that they are poor eliminations.

Luca Blight has been eliminated on Day Two. He was a

Mafia Goon

.

(Throws hands up in the air)

I give up.

I was better off in iteration #1 of the game where I had two scum as scum and two scum as locktown.

(I am not

actually

giving up, giving up, that'd imply a commitment to no longer attempting to scumhunt. Obviously I intend to keep scumhunting, I've just given up on accuracy, on any hope of being on the right track. Believing that my reads are all going to be shit is no excuse to not give them so I still will give them in spite of them objectively being shit.)

On that note.
VOTE: Bell.

I am unconvinced that Luca-Bell isn't SvS, tho I understand skepticism to follow me on that.

[mastina]

Oh I suppose I should mention: I am pretty sure Titus is town now.

Bell I don't think is town from the Luca-Bell dynamic.

Titus however from the Titus-Luca dynamic IS.

[mastina]

Vote Count 2.10 (FINAL)

Luca Blight

(8): Winter Flakes, Dunnstral, OkaPoka, Titus, Almost50, Bell, Cephrir, Luca Blight

Almost50

(2): AGar, Ythan

Bell

(1): mastina

OkaPoka

(1): Hopkirk

Titus

(1): innocentvillager

Not Voting

(2): jjh927, Xtoxm

Vote Count 1.5

hercule

(7): Lady Lambdadelta, Ythan, OkaPoka, the worst, Dannflor, Dunnstral, Cephrir

Lady Lambdadelta

(4): DrippingGoofball, hercule, Hopkirk, innocentvillager

the worst

(2): jjh927, Winter Flakes

Dannflor

(1): mastina

Almost50

(1): Almost50

DrippingGoofball

(1): Xtoxm

Not Voting

(2): Titus, AGar

Just quoting the two wagons here--I'm going to bed now (was planning on sleeping before 6 since I intend to be up at 11 so am already 15 minutes overdue), but I want to have these to analyze and see if scum bussed, where they did, on both D1 and D2. How many scum were on the wagon, how many scum were off, common factors between the wagons, common factors off of the wagons, etc. Too tired to do it now, but this is a reminder to do it tomorrow.

[Xtoxm]

eh im not either i guess but i do think his luca interactions elevate him over {wf, jjh} who have both been hard coasting all game
i want one of those two today if they continue to not town up i think

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: jjh

[Almost50]

OK, I accept that IV is Town here, and if Icon is confident Ythan is Town I'll take it (that's 2 slots I was UNconfidentally TRing).

But this probably makes Oka Town too, so all 4 scums are in

[*]Bell, He's always useless in my experience, but something tells me this is useless Scum!Bell
[*]Luca Blight, Can't decide, but I think the associatives with the rest of my SRs make me lean Scum on him
[*]jjh927, I am not used to jjh being this abscent. jjh was in my team in TM2020 and he was NK'd on N1 in his game
[*]Hopkirk, Has been unispiring all game long and I do think Town!Hopkirk would have town-told already
[*]AGar, The more I see from him the more I am convinced he is Scum. And to think I

??

While Bell is still in my PoE, he's actually a "reserve" to my main Scum team pick. I would rather any of the other 3 over him (and I would rather jjh/AGar over Hop today)

VOTE: jjh

[innocentvillager]

Luca's posting on D2 makes me want to re-add the slot there as well and it's good to know I'm not alone in continuing my townread there, soooooo:

lol mastina you added them to your straight up townbloc here too

who else did you think was townreading Luca's D2 posting besides you?

[innocentvillager]

im also confused at why Luca self-hammered instead of tried to claim some random PR

[Xtoxm]

we are too, its really weird cus i felt the reasoning being given for voting him was weak, i dont see why an announcing neapolitan would ever want to pre-crumb their target or why scum would lie about it
there were some people townreading his slot to various degrees
and he gave up so easily
makes me think bussing
but why scum would think that was a productive thing to do i have no idea

[Bell]

VOTE: Mastina

Good morning.

[Bell]

we are too, its really weird cus i felt the reasoning being given for voting him was weak, i dont see why an announcing neapolitan would ever want to pre-crumb their target or why scum would lie about it
there were some people townreading his slot to various degrees
and he gave up so easily
makes me think bussing
but why scum would think that was a productive thing to do i have no idea

I agree there was a lot of bussing going on given that literally nobody else had reasons for voting Luca but the votes just kept ticking up.
Also, I want to give back pats to whoever Hercules was, that wifom post in the beginning of the game was great and I internally doubted myself the whole time. Survivialism is a hell of a drug.

[Cephrir]

Hey I had reasons. Rude.

I'm mostly upset with the vig being dead because it means the game's going to take longer.

[Titus]

I am busy the next couple days.

[Cephrir]

(It helps Hercule's entrance was garbage, but honestly I was just waiting to Mastina to post one of these lists so I can do my standard Mastina play which is just to eliminate players in inverse order of her preference.)

It wins the game more than it loses the game, and that's a fact.

Also, lmao.

[innocentvillager]

here were some of my thoughts overnight

sus on people who joined on LLD right after scum!hercule/Luca was ran up (LLD was pushing hercule early D1)

Lady Lambdadelta

(6):

DrippingGoofball

,

hercule

, Hopkirk,

innocentvillager

, Xtoxm, mastina

probably scum in Hopkirk/xtoxm/mastina bc innocentvillager isn’t scum
scum in ceph agar Oka mastina because of one of Luca’s town lists (don’t think it would be all town)
agar, Titus don’t seem super partnery with Luca
the way Luca talks throughout about Titus in the iso is kinda slimy
I forget why with agar
still thought the excuse to move off jjh was not scum!luca town!jjh indicative
because the excuse was kinda bad based on mastina’s “memory for meta” could’ve been a bullshit excuse
so I’m thinking jjh scum

I’m wondering why Luca self hammered??
Definitely could’ve faked a pr at least
was this a whole scumteam decision or was he just like fuck this game? maybe he has good amtiassociatices with his team?? idk

[innocentvillager]

(It helps Hercule's entrance was garbage, but honestly I was just waiting to Mastina to post one of these lists so I can do my standard Mastina play which is just to eliminate players in inverse order of her preference.)

It wins the game more than it loses the game, and that's a fact.

Also, lmao.

lol i think you need a very big sample size to determine that you should eliminate someone's reads in inverse order. maybe LLD has an unbiased big one, maybe she's availability biased, idk. Same argument for someone with anecdotally good reads imo. we can all have shit reads and great reads some games

[Cephrir]

probably scum in Hopkirk/xtoxm/mastina bc innocentvillager isn’t scum
scum in ceph agar Oka mastina because of one of Luca’s town lists (don’t think it would be all town)

don't think either of these is compelling fwiw

i'll be more interested on the first point if you can find an issue to take with how they interacted around the wagon/their votes specifically

[innocentvillager]

probably scum in Hopkirk/xtoxm/mastina bc innocentvillager isn’t scum

i'll be more interested on the first point if you can find an issue to take with how they interacted around the wagon/their votes specifically

but that was my "first point" lol, the people who jumped onto LLD after hercule got flashwagoned is a little suspicious, which implicates {Hopkirk/xtoxm/mastina/innocentvillager}

you don't think out of hercule's 3 buddies, at least one of them would help try to chainsaw LLD?

idk, Titus is gone so I offered a bit of my own 1st time VCA

it is true that it's probably prudent to go reread the actual posts

[Xtoxm]

i cant imagine a scum team that agreed to a self hammer..even in a bussing situation. scum teams ive been in have always been very resistant to the idea, myself included, outside of niche scenarios such as guiltied scum wanting to cut off discussion/night action planning. im positive it was an individual decision. maybe he was annoyed at his teammates for some reason, or just the game in general.

[innocentvillager]

Right now I believe the following players are Town:

IV
Mastina
Ceph
Poka
A50
AGar

Town:

Mastina, IV, Agar, A50, Poka, Dunnstral, Xtoxm, Ceph

PoE:

Bell, Titus, Ythan, Hopkirk, Winter Flakes, jjh

idk, i still think it's very unlikely that Luca literally puts his 3 buddies in the PoE, his posting style was stilted enough that it doesn't seem like he would do some crazy wifom move

[innocentvillager]

i cant imagine a scum team that agreed to a self hammer..even in a bussing situation. scum teams ive been in have always been very resistant to the idea, myself included, outside of niche scenarios such as guiltied scum wanting to cut off discussion/night action planning. im positive it was an individual decision. maybe he was annoyed at his teammates for some reason, or just the game in general.

this is kind of what i was thinking

he'd have to be so distanced from his scumteam for them to even consider it I think?? and the only person i can kind of think of that he might be distanced from is... Titus? maybe?

[Bell]

I have a meeting in 10.

S_S says Mastina continues to be town. I talked to him about how sometimes when somebody plays like honorary scum, they're just scum. But he says the Titus reversal isn't like Mastina scum. He says he would expect Mastin to be playing more toward survivability as scum instead of actively pushing a scum agenda. He also started that sentence with 'with all due respect' the knave.
He liked Xcom and IV's posts about bussing.