Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[Harumi Ayasato]

You make a good point. I'll get mine ready; while I do that, why don't you share yours?

[Meuh]

Though I don't like how meuhs metaing me, when i die either meuh will feel very bad or very good (:
(also btw, did i miss it? didnt i ask meuh in 725 what would she do if its not me, did she answer at all? )

Meta supports my read, it's not the glue holding it together. The way you treated the 2nd wagon and your tone today is scummy to me and is something anyone in the game can look at.

Didn't notice the question, if it's not you then...

Spoiler:

...I'll keep playing the game normally? I'm not really sure what you're expecting me to answer, I won't really change the way I play if you're elimed and flip town. Unless you meant who I'd push? Cantrip or Harumi, probably, unless the circumstances change somehow.

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.1:

Harumi Ayasato (1)

- Meuh

Not voting (6)

- Harumi Ayasato, Krazy, marcistar, Cantripmancer, ItalianoVD, Alisae

Day 2 will end at 8pm GMT on Sunday 28th February 2021, (expired on 2021-02-28 20:00:00)

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate

[Krazy]

Basically, I think {harumi, marci, trip} ends the game in town win. But I'm not 100% sure which order is correct. I think usually I go harumi first (without an inno) but some of trip's posts do in fact look a lot worse on chosen redflip. And marci's iso at this point is marci's iso

this is basically my readslist

order of townreads kinda doesn't matter super much to me right now since we have three flips so there's basically "in flip order" and "not in flip order"

[Cantripmancer]

I'm at:

Krazy
Alisae
Meuh
ItalianoVD
Harumi/Marci

I feel like Marci is more likely to be buddies with Chosen from her content, but her tone seems far purer than Harumi's. I tend to value tonal reads over Marci's TSTBS content, so I'd lean towards eliminating Harumi first, I think.

Still haven't had enough time to really review D1, but if we have enough eliminations regardless, I'd rather just go Harumi and then dig deeper if she flips town.

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: Cantripmancer

[Krazy]

What's your feels Itali?

[Krazy]

Wtb harumi readslist + reasoning

[Krazy]

Wouldn't mind an ali readslist either, promise I won't argue you're partners with harumi off it

[Harumi Ayasato]

My scumreads are currently marci (insists that I am scum without much reasoning--could be newish behavior but I don't think so), and alisae (hyperposting which is bad, claims that "the game is over" but doesn't feel the need to explain why).

[Krazy]

Do you have feelings about Italiano and Cantrip?

[Alisae]

VOTE: cantrip

[Krazy]

f-2

alisae can I get a list from you please?

[Alisae]

Everyone is town but Cantrip

[Alisae]

Like the game is just over.
Italiano has seem pretty consistently town. It could be possible that he bussed but I really don't think so and I don't think I want to entertain that today.
Meuh I felt like has just been townie
Marci seems really honest and just doesn't seem like scum
Harumi isn't acting with an endgame in mind and is just trying to play her game. Her read on me is probably something she believes.

Cantrip played this day phase like scum with his positioning and but if you read 562 it's pretty easy to figure out that the guy is just scum.
- Scumreads Harumi and Marci, it seems really likely that these are just villagers.
- Putting Meuh as null seems like something scum would do.
- goes back and forth between krazy, likely cuz krazy is a villager
- italiano and cantrip descriptions are pretty different. For cantrip he tries to make him look good whereas Italiano it just doesn't happen? It's also the only townlean he really gave detail on which is sus.

Like idunno Cantrip's positioning has been just what I think scum has been doing.
- Wants to keep Harumi and Marci in the PoE
- Scum are probably going to try to make Marci look like partners with Chosen, it just makes sense for scum to want to do this.
- Tries to keep Harumi in the PoE pool.

Marci today seems really honest and Harumi feels like they're just beating their own drum.

Games over.

[Krazy]

The world of Harumi scum would be where she views the game as already over, as in unwinnable for scum.

But if you feel pretty strongly that she's a miss then I don't mind seeing Cantrip deal with a wagon for a bit

[Alisae]

I just don't think its Harumi because Harumi play feels really agendaless and I think its a lot more town beating their own drum doing their own thing over scum who just feels like the game is over because its been consistent across the whole game.

[Alisae]

Like I just think out of the 3 Cantrip is seems more likely to be the scum just based on what I expect scum to do during this day phase.

[ItalianoVD]

What's your feels Itali?

Really sorry guys. Playing four games currently and just trying to be fairly active for all of them. Alisae pretty much said what I’m thinking. I think Cantrip has played this game the most like scum and also makes sense as 2nd’s partner. Harumi could maybe be 2nd’s partner if you force it and Marci is the least likely partner for me.

[Krazy]

little gamestate read -- it's mechanically correct for harumi to pretty much hammer anything that isn't her in this situation, so any additional vote on cantrip should be announced like an intent to hammer

[Alisae]

I don't disagree with that

[Meuh]

Do you guys still wanna massclaim at some point? Since we seem to be so close to just winning.

[Krazy]

Been thinking a lot about that. In A there's merits and limitations depending on who has what. A tracker no visit on someone in the poe is very powerful. If jailkeeper claims as well, that can be messy if we are.really wrong on like, italiano. Scum can roleblock JK and kill tracker to really obfuscate gamestate.

I'm considering merits of tracker solo claim. Tracker inno today is real strong. We could evaluate whether jk claims after maybe? Hmmmm

Tricky tricky

Cop inno is also very powerful and probably strong enough today to not greed even tho that guarantees we get no more cop results.

It's worth thinking about, hard for me to like, decide for the invest tho whether they should claim, since if they targeted kazy it is incorrect. Inno on living is *often* worth

[Krazy]

Also, while there can be gambits for tracker on claiming no visit on a pr, it's probably better for tracker to just claim their result as an 'inno' to avoid wifom. All tracker innos are innos if that makes sense

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.2:

Cantripmancer (2)

- ItalianoVD, Alisae

Harumi Ayasato (1)

- Meuh

Not voting (4)

- Harumi Ayasato, Krazy, marcistar, Cantripmancer,

Day 2 will end at 8pm GMT on Sunday 28th February 2021, (expired on 2021-02-28 20:00:00)

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate