Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[Dunnstral]

I do but if Dunn is town Titus stock goes down.
Bell is one of my few lock towns.

Bell is based on what? He's my highest SR currently.

VOTE: SirCakez

Come sheep me Bell.

Based on me being a day cop Titus /s

I have reasons but they’re anti town to say

VOTE: Mathblade

If you aren't willing to rationally discuss your reads but expect people to sheep you, I have no hope of reading you. When you don't work with people who are wagoning your scumreads because it's not your favorite, then I cannot work with you.

If I cannot read you and I cannot work with you, why keep you?

This isn't "persuasive", it's manipulative

[sangres]

I will be incredibly sad if you are scum, because you succinctly stated my feelings about Dunn.

At the time I expressed my thoughts on Dunn he only had four posts and has posted a lot since, do you have any thoughts on his more recent posts?

Also idk the point of you mentioning that you'll be sad if I'm scum is to the answer of that question?

You wanted Nacho's engagement on that question, so I didn't respond to it. He's not here to post atm. My Dunn read isn't as strong as his and has weaken based on Dunn's most recent posts, so hence my fistbump.

Nacho likes your content which is cool, but I'd like to be able to form a read on you myself if I can. Reading your post about Dunn and finding a point of agreement is really the first step I think I've ever experienced in terms of an independent non-cold-meta and hopefully non-crappy read of you.

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bork, my response to your question about my pre-claim LLD read would probably have been the same regardless of my alignment.

[SirCakez]

its p funny cakez/titus both want mathb to stop scumspewing all over the thread lulz

what are you trying to insinuate here?

[Dunnstral]

How do you feel about Spiffeh's reply in 516?

I don't think that is a reply to the post I am talking about

I don't think the number of posts before or after matter.

I think you could make an argument that I made a mountain out of a molehill, though.

Can you expand on this post?

People are writing you guys off as town too easily when you very well can still be scum, for no reason other than you started making likeable posts

[Dunnstral]

There's a lot of mildly suspicious slots that REALLY don't want to go mathblade, or won't discuss mathblade, but are a-okay going titus, so that means we go mathblade today

[SirCakez]

i mean, i play w/ ffery all the time, trying to find each other early isn't really a new thing for us, and i would definitely make an attempt to engage her as scum as i did in illicit substances, the last game where we had that exact alignment combo, where she kind of sat in my pocket all game to the point that she wouldn't let cabd vote me.

so yeah, a++++ would attempt pocket again

it strikes me that your posts about this aren't really considering the possibility that they're not town

Bigger scumspects to fry atm

I feel LLD and GreyICE are probably town, but their play is shit. LLD in particular cares more about control than honesty and valor. I bet that will make her angry but I don't really care about LLD's tantrums.

I don't know how you can call GI town with what he's posted

[Titus]

I do but if Dunn is town Titus stock goes down.
Bell is one of my few lock towns.

Bell is based on what? He's my highest SR currently.

VOTE: SirCakez

Come sheep me Bell.

Based on me being a day cop Titus /s

I have reasons but they’re anti town to say

VOTE: Mathblade

If you aren't willing to rationally discuss your reads but expect people to sheep you, I have no hope of reading you. When you don't work with people who are wagoning your scumreads because it's not your favorite, then I cannot work with you.

If I cannot read you and I cannot work with you, why keep you?

This isn't "persuasive", it's manipulative

Same difference.

I am persuading Math to be protown or I vote him.

I'm not about to enjoy a game with Math and LLD like this. So I'm getting the most protown result.

I'm persuading or manipulating Math to assist.

Again, I don't give two shits about the word choice. Just don't argue persuasion is manipulative and therefore scummy. They're the same thing.

The manipulative argument is just noise.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

There's a lot of mildly suspicious slots that REALLY don't want to go mathblade, or won't discuss mathblade, but are a-okay going titus, so that means we go mathblade today

this might be the towniest post i've ever seen dunnstral make in my life

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what are you trying to insinuate here?

don't be nervous buddy

[MathBlade]

I am pretty sure I am wrong on Cakez btw. And nope not elaborating on why.

Lurking the thread as asked except to say Dunn seems desperate.

[MathBlade]

Dunn Pooky Titus ? It gels really well.

[Spiffeh]

There's a lot of mildly suspicious slots that REALLY don't want to go mathblade, or won't discuss mathblade, but are a-okay going titus, so that means we go mathblade today

Can you give me some players who fit this criteria?

[Titus]

There's a lot of mildly suspicious slots that REALLY don't want to go mathblade, or won't discuss mathblade, but are a-okay going titus, so that means we go mathblade today

Can you give me some players who fit this criteria?

+1 I should have asked this but I got egocentric.

[Dunnstral]

Sircakez, Battle Mage, GreyIce, and yourself

This is resistance to mathblade, not all are ok with going titus as well; most are instead tunneled on me to a frankly unrealistic degree

Sangres is honorarily ont he list because they keep directing questions at me while supposedly suspecting Mathblade but it doesn't have the same feel

[Spiffeh]

Ok, can you pick your two largest scum reads on that list and explain why you think they're scum jumping in to save MathBlade rather than town who just finds you to be scummier than MathBlade?

[Bell]

Hi, today was crazy busy.

Bork is here. That's about all I got. Town binning me was a little too late to mean much of anything to me.

[Spiffeh]

Because where I'm coming from, in the event that MathBlade is scum (which I highly highly doubt atm), it's a little hard to believe that any scum would fight for him at this point when he's dug himself a huge hole?

I would expect scum to bus him into the ground here instead of risk themselves trying to save him. And I think you're smart enough to be able to see that too.

[Dunnstral]

my gut feeling is we should use D1 to elim a slot which won't solve itself over time. No point elimming math early when his alignment will become obvious later.

Battle Mage says this then tunnels on me in an awkward way while throwing Math townreads - I'm not that hard of a slot to read. His whole play feels disingenuous

Next is you or Sircakez distracting from Mathblade hard

[Dunnstral]

Because where I'm coming from, in the event that MathBlade is scum (which I highly highly doubt atm), it's a little hard to believe that any scum would fight for him at this point when he's dug himself a huge hole?

I would expect scum to bus him into the ground here instead of risk themselves trying to save him. And I think you're smart enough to be able to see that too.

This amounts to a self-defense

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Dunnstral]

To be clear I don't think scum would roll over this day phase and start pushing math

[Bell]

The wifom post about wanting to die if he rolled scum in this plist, I swear he's posted before as scum so take it with that good ol' grain o' salt.
Prism is biased on Bork due to the nature of their approach to Bork.

I don't lean one way or another with Bork.
Put me in the Prism is a scum read because of paranoia at appearing fairly spotless read. Or 'I hate people that have every post bleed town read'

Yes, I am useless ty for saying so.

[Spiffeh]

Do you have any scum reads outside of those you listed avoiding MathBlade above?

Or is everyone you're suspicious of currently MathBlade or deciding to push somewhere other than MathBlade?

[Bell]

My scum list rn, is something Like Sircakez, Titus, XXX,

and a lot of null reads.

Spiffeh has moved up in life just because he's playing originally and it doesn't seem to just be a one off. Could be he is trying to up his scum game, but meh. Who knows.

[Dunnstral]

To be more clear:

As long as LLD is claiming mason and is going to take control of the game, I'm not going to be the wagon for today unless there is strong disagreements from multiple members of the town

So that's why all these arguments about me seeming desperate or flailing are out of place. The only way I'm getting eliminated today is if LLD thinks that is a good idea.

And like, I wasn't super obviously town at the start of the game, sure, but I become readable, and it's a hard sell to believe that everyone pushing me today is acting in good faith

So no, I'm done barking for spiffeh and sangres. No more distractions. We can talk about why Mathblade is scum if you want.

My scum reads:

Mathblade,

Spiffeh

,

SirCakez

,

Battle Mage

,

Bork

,

GreyIce

Last two are light reads