Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[sangres]

i have a sample size of 1 w/ GreyICE but that was not my experience w/ town GreyICE at all. Can't comment on his scumgame.

Either way that seems like a criminally low bar to set

that experience, which we shared, was with town mason GreyICE.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p5840592

Me? I was a mason. I can spend day 1 trolling random people, refuse to give reasoning for my reads, generally annoy people, and make it look like I'm a possible mislynch. I can start a random pissing contest with Deacon Blues, even though I'm 90% on them being town. I was literally lynch-proof (seriously, on day 2 I was confirmed town to 4 of the 10 players. 6 were needed for lynch).

I played with scum-GreyICE in another game. he was only in the game for day 1 and then replaced out. I didn't spot him as scum because his play was LESS trolling than Vesperia and made more sense to me.

Anyway. Just wanted to put your one-game experience into the perspective of this post.

I think I re-skimmed the Vesperia game during the Whedon Mini, but this post didn't catch my eye back then. I did see it when I reread the Tales games for design-thoughts during the FGO game.

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How do you feel about Spiffeh's reply in 516?

I don't think that is a reply to the post I am talking about

I don't think the number of posts before or after matter.

I think you could make an argument that I made a mountain out of a molehill, though.

Can you expand on this post?

People are writing you guys off as town too easily when you very well can still be scum, for no reason other than you started making likeable posts

Dunn you're making me crazy.

I hate getting into nearly the same nitpicks with you over and over again. I feel like the conflict is muddying my read, not clarifying it. Maybe the read should be more muddy.

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Catchup soon count:

Mastina! (with bonus offer of lynching her... so tempting)
Tammy!
Kitty Trauma Team! (With bonus for there's two of them)

guyz I have a free money bet
not three green

My Kitty Trauma Team worries are growing. I like some of what they've posted. I'm surprised mala hasn't tried to connect with us more. Nacho has some concerns, too, partly to do with kuribo. Not sure I can do them justice for him in his absence, so they can wait until Nacho's around.

My battle mage read needs some review too.

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@Math, noted re your post or don't post quandary. If all 17 players divvied up the 85 pages we get for day 1 evenly, that would be 5 pages each. 125 posts each.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn you're making me crazy.

I hate getting into nearly the same nitpicks with you over and over again. I feel like the conflict is muddying my read, not clarifying it. Maybe the read should be more muddy.

I'm not calling you scum. I'm saying other players are not doing enough to read you/set the bar too low/came to conclusions too fast/aren't doing due diligence, and that you're not hard town

You don't have to take that as a personal attack on you; it's not

[Prism]

Sorry to put the game off ~yet again~ and add to Grey's list but I finally finished my drive only to spend 2 hours troubleshooting various plumbing issues and so goodnight

on the bright side i should be here nice and early tomorrow but send help

[sangres]

Dunn you're making me crazy.

I hate getting into nearly the same nitpicks with you over and over again. I feel like the conflict is muddying my read, not clarifying it. Maybe the read should be more muddy.

I'm not calling you scum. I'm saying other players are not doing enough to read you/set the bar too low/came to conclusions too fast/aren't doing due diligence, and that you're not hard town

You don't have to take that as a personal attack on you; it's not

What I want is accountability.

There's no accountability in saying "other players" and "started making likeable posts" without details on who and on where our posts got "likeable" so I can even know what "likeable" means to you.

I would think that early day one from your perspective would be rife with unwarranted townreads on most players, so it's strange to me that we somehow stand out as not getting enough scrutiny.

The only player you named as townreading us too easily was Prism.

Do you feel like Prism's not experienced enough to call us town within a few pages? Do you feel like Prism's the kind of player who doesn't revisit, reread, rethink as more data hits the thread? I assume you think Prism's town because otherwise it seems like you'd be concerned that it's a fabricated read and wonder why we're not concerned that this is scum-Prism pocketing us.

And that goes for anyone else who's reading us too easily from your perspective. Why assume they're ALL genuine reads but naïve or lazy rather than fabricated?

But beyond that, and more importantly --

I developed a ton of respect for your play and approach to the game in Tenet despite our both being pocketed by scum-Dandelion. It came to naught in that game, but I thought the fundamentals of your townhunting, scumhunting, and leadership/management in the forward thread was really solid.

If you're town here, I hope your play reaches that level and I want to work with you -- this time without being lost in deep fog and unable to link up with other town as well.

Right now, I don't feel like we're on a course where that happens.

[Dunnstral]

What I want is accountability.

There's no accountability in saying "other players" and "started making likeable posts" without details on who and on where our posts got "likeable" so I can even know what "likeable" means to you.

I don't think the level of accountability I'm being held to is the same as other people are

[Dunnstral]

I developed a ton of respect for your play and approach to the game in Tenet despite our both being pocketed by scum-Dandelion. It came to naught in that game, but I thought the fundamentals of your townhunting, scumhunting, and leadership/management in the forward thread was really solid.

If you're town here, I hope your play reaches that level and I want to work with you -- this time without being lost in deep fog and unable to link up with other town as well.

Right now, I don't feel like we're on a course where that happens.

Yeah? My play in Tenet didn't happen spontaneously when I joined the game

Here I got voted instantly after having made 4 posts, and I'm constantly being hounded about those four posts (you're still doing this)

[Kitty Trauma Team]

My Kitty Trauma Team worries are growing. I like some of what they've posted. I'm surprised mala hasn't tried to connect with us more. Nacho has some concerns, too, partly to do with kuribo. Not sure I can do them justice for him in his absence, so they can wait until Nacho's around.

Nachos just gonna have to get over it, it's not like I'm in the middle of moving and working 70 hours a week and hate being town and presently having Covid vaccine side effects like a mother or slipped last night in a puddle of dog piss and busted my bad knee. I mean obviously I'm just so active all over the site, that's why I post nightly in my NES thread. Oh no wait I haven't even had time for that in over a week.

Turns out a hydra consisting of two retired players working in Covid hotspot fields aren't the most active posters


I mean who knew

And since y'all always hate on hydras who have dissonance between them, Mala gets my reads first. Love it or don't, idgaf, imma go throw up now. Deuces.

[sangres]

What I want is accountability.

There's no accountability in saying "other players" and "started making likeable posts" without details on who and on where our posts got "likeable" so I can even know what "likeable" means to you.

I don't think the level of accountability I'm being held to is the same as other people are

That's probably true. You've snagged my attention and right now you're chewing up a lot -- arguably too much -- of my bandwidth.

I don't think you're putting similar levels of scrutiny on other players' townreads either. This player list doesn't lack for big personalities/reputations.

The appeal you didn't respond to is sincere. I'm going to try to back off and give you space to do other stuff.

And myself as well.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I missed you Kuribo

[mastina]

Greetings, Gentlebeings!

VOTE: Spiffeh

Hi!

Town.

I'm so excited to not care what any of you think about me

Town?

Will be back in like 5+ hours please don’t spam the thread people.

Scum?

VOTE: Prism

VOTE: spiffeh

Scum.

page count limit is a genius move, but I don't really share the level of concern from Mathblade - 85 pages is MORE than enough for Day 1 in any game. also what is post 8?

Battle Mage.



VOTE: SirCakez

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hi Mastina

why haven't you called me scum yet?

[mastina]

I think Prism is scum btw

Town. <3

I have a question. Anyone have any idea how we bronze scum? If artifacts are good to pass to town, then what's stopping scum from just bronzing whoever gets the artifact and we get screwed?

Town?

Math are you also scum lol

LLD's probably gonna be furious when she sees I agree with at least two of her initial scumreads.

[mastina]

VOTE: LLD
im ready to speedyeet mathboy as soon as the real game starts

Town. (Only reason Pooky would ever be scum here is "too town to be town", but fuck that fallacy, he's town. )

Mala is probably town.

An early read on me doesn’t sit right.

Town.

[Dunnstral]

What I want is accountability.

There's no accountability in saying "other players" and "started making likeable posts" without details on who and on where our posts got "likeable" so I can even know what "likeable" means to you.

I don't think the level of accountability I'm being held to is the same as other people are

That's probably true. You've snagged my attention and right now you're chewing up a lot -- arguably too much -- of my bandwidth.

I don't think you're putting similar levels of scrutiny on other players' townreads either. This player list doesn't lack for big personalities/reputations.

The appeal you didn't respond to is sincere. I'm going to try to back off and give you space to do other stuff.

And myself as well.

I'm reading it

You want to see my tenet play? That can happen, but it's not how I come out of the gates

[mastina]

This seems like a good time for a readslist!

Lady Lambdadelta
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
Bell

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
borkjerfkin
GreyICE
quiet

Dunnstral

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown, lean town, null, nullscum, lean scum, scumread.

[Bell]

Math, Mastina, Cakez.
Titus.
Bork, Kittens,
Tammy. Quest
Paranoia read: Prism.
GrayIce, Pooky.
Dunstrall
Sangres, Spiffeh, BM, LLD, Bell.

Good night.

[mastina]

I think Spiffeh town BM scum Prism null LLD scum lean Cakez is prob town but scum in a very minor circumstance so not considering it. If I am right then Titus is town by proxy.

Scummy reads

Scratch the scunread, Dunn's town.

quiet is aggressively ambivalent (which is to say, one post rapidly swaying from definitely-scum and definitely-town, hard to lock down as one of those and not the other).

Got exactly one thing that I don't expect to have, yes, although no indication where I got it from. Are you the character pictured w/ that item if I look it up on the wiki? If so it's adorable you picked me considering my own flavor

Town.

Lady Lambdadelta
Dunnstral
Bell
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
borkjerfkin
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
GreyICE
quiet


MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown townread null scumread scum.

[Dunnstral]

Really? 152 made me go from nullscum to locktown?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This seems like a good time for a readslist!

Lady Lambdadelta
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
Bell

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
borkjerfkin
GreyICE
quiet

Dunnstral

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown, lean town, null, nullscum, lean scum, scumread.

am i being set up wtf

[MathBlade]

It’s just weird Mastina and LLD (whose clearly NOT a mason ) agree on reads.

And the reads are garbage.

Cakez townslipped after I scumread him
Prism is probably scum but that’s either having to put a scumread there or buddying my scumread there
Literally no one agrees with my prism read. They think I am ridiculous.

So I find it weird Mastina’s reads match mine about almost midpoint through the morning but yet I am scum.

That doesn’t sit right.

[mastina]

Just popping in to try and catch up (shockingly busy weekend); but doesn't scum know, or at least have some insight? Don't scum get to pick between two, choose one, the second one goes up for vote? Don't think that particularly changes my view on Prism, which I will need to update from the last 6 pages, but scum should know or at least have some insight on all artifacts that get put in front of us, no?

It's not strong but by gut the ambivalence has been broken in favor of scum.

[mastina]

*Checks Mastina's ISO*
Crap, no easy scumread. Dammit. Uh, does Lucrita's comb kill someone? Because I'm not down with killing LLD. If not, this is a snoozefest, wake me up when there's some fucking blood. I don't play wank off pregame sessions.

Okay so I THINK this is GreyICE as town so I can enact the LLD-GI strategy:

Lump them both into the townbin unless one of them says they have a scumread on the other, soooooooooooooo:

Lady Lambdadelta*
Dunnstral
Bell
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
borkjerfkin
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
GreyICE*

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage


quiet

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown townread null lean scum scumread scum.

[Dunnstral]

Really? 152 made me go from nullscum to locktown?

152 was also my first post of the game, by the way

[MathBlade]

Really? 152 made me go from nullscum to locktown?

152 was also my first post of the game, by the way

Hey Dunn, I think we’re both being set up here.

Can you do a read wall and I just vote the person lowest on your wall I agree with?

Kinda thinking Mastina Titus?

Just gonna reset all my reads

[mastina]

i'm townreading too many people

Honestly this is a game going to be won by townreads and mutual townblocs being formed, so this is not a problem.