and then when u do hit scum d1 town just shits the bedIn post 1273, RLotus wrote:Same kinda. I really hate missing on day 1 mainly because it feels like we will fall too behindIn post 1272, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:u know everytime i roll town i feel this enormous pressure to go 3/3 day 1 and it sucks
This feels very agenda’y’In post 1104, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I'd like to point out that GC's been extremely vague about reasoning and cannot ellaborate when pushed on and starts talking in circles or just reverts to other points, or just points out shallow things
When I wrote that I wouldn’t blow your spot.In post 1266, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:andres at which point did you realize i was koba?
I was only pointing out the truth ? How is this agenda-y?In post 1276, ItalianoVD wrote:This feels very agenda’y’In post 1104, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I'd like to point out that GC's been extremely vague about reasoning and cannot ellaborate when pushed on and starts talking in circles or just reverts to other points, or just points out shallow things
I think this is a bit of a reach actually.In post 1276, ItalianoVD wrote:This feels very agenda’y’In post 1104, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I'd like to point out that GC's been extremely vague about reasoning and cannot ellaborate when pushed on and starts talking in circles or just reverts to other points, or just points out shallow things
In post 1102, Green Crayons wrote:i suspected you, i asked you to answer the Q you were ignoring, you said "why is this scummy", said you had answered the Q (you hadn't) and I was misrepping you, i explained why scummy, you said my reasons were BS and that you understood the FOSes on me.
all starts from Post 464 and takes like 10 posts for you to go "you suspect me?" to "you're suspicious"
In post 1104, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I'd like to point out that GC's been extremely vague about reasoning and cannot ellaborate when pushed on and starts talking in circles or just reverts to other points, or just points out shallow things
The above is just another scummy mischaracterization - forgets conveniently that they accused me of not pushing the game forward and is not using that point at all here. What changed?
They're basically gaslighting me trying to be vague about events bc theyre scum trying to weave a tapestry, not town trying to read genuinely .
it's just scum trying to discred someone guning for their partner
Their reads just REEK of someone who pick and chose ppl and made a read based on conveniencd. Townread the loud and active ppl, scumread the less loud (with the addition of the person who's loudly gunning for your head)
Someone please give me a sanity check like i feel confident here but i need a 3rd party opinion between this LOL i dont wanna be wrong here
heres context - i hate getting quoted out of context like that when the context is highly relevant.In post 1105, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:And if we apply the "pushing game forward " scumread logic - we can easily say GC is scum for not pushing the game forward. Their own reasoning- not mine.
More pings towards the townside.In post 1113, Elements wrote:ooh look at mx pre-flip associatives over hereIn post 1111, DkKoba wrote:you know im scumreading u... right?
have you considered that I'm town?
It's worth a try. Then you'll be right on at least one person.
But seriously, from my POV scum!GC has 0 reason to not scum me
Fair enough, we can agree to disagree here.In post 1280, Andresvmb wrote:I think this is a bit of a reach actually.In post 1276, ItalianoVD wrote:This feels very agenda’y’In post 1104, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I'd like to point out that GC's been extremely vague about reasoning and cannot ellaborate when pushed on and starts talking in circles or just reverts to other points, or just points out shallow things
before I go - please try to explain how you think it was agenda-y in the context, like whats my agenda. (or maybe you just think its scummy, and are using bad words?? bc idk what u mean there) are u townreading GC is that why?In post 1284, ItalianoVD wrote:Fair enough, we can agree to disagree here.In post 1280, Andresvmb wrote:I think this is a bit of a reach actually.In post 1276, ItalianoVD wrote:This feels very agenda’y’In post 1104, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I'd like to point out that GC's been extremely vague about reasoning and cannot ellaborate when pushed on and starts talking in circles or just reverts to other points, or just points out shallow things
You tried this on me and you were/are wrong there. I’m thinking you’re wrong here as well.In post 1131, RLotus wrote:Vote VPB whenever you feel like voting for scum
That's a pretty shallow reason to think I'm wrong. But you're right it wouldn't be the first time I am wrong when I am hard pushing someone.In post 1286, ItalianoVD wrote:You tried this on me and you were/are wrong there. I’m thinking you’re wrong here as well.In post 1131, RLotus wrote:Vote VPB whenever you feel like voting for scum
Good point though.In post 1141, RLotus wrote:But, you keep Dunn as one of your top scum you can't get it through your head it seems.
Except, that's not what happened at all. That is my point. You repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. I'm not going to keep arguing this with you. I've pointed out very explicitly from your own examples that you're not reading the context or even the next exact posts after the ones you're selecting.In post 1164, RLotus wrote:Well when I say push I mean sitting on the sideline throwing shade, egging it on, without ever really coming to a conclusion.
This is false as wellIn post 1166, RLotus wrote:Yes you posted a reads list after I criticized you for not trying to solve the game, and I believe being prompted by someone else to make one.
In post 925, VP Baltar wrote:I may actually do a reads list later today. I think if I do, the actual pool of scum potentials might be pretty small
In post 971, VP Baltar wrote:Gonna shoot some hip reads as promised:
Town as fuck:
Battle Mage- Stated this already, but his play is just loose and ready to rumble. Not what i saw from scum BM before.
Datisi- Felt a little slow off the blocks, but he's not pushing in lots of directions and I'm frequently nodding along with his posts.
Probably town:
midwaybear- his play here reminds me a bit of when he was town in a game we shared. Reads are consistent with his pushes.
Green Crayons- Has made logical, if aggressive arguments. I am probably due for an iso reread of GC to make sure I'm not biased toward the olds.
ItalianoVD- He has said some scummy things, but he's just spewing a ton if he is scum. Also, Lotus' laser focus is disingenuous, meaning IVD is likely town.
Andresvmb- I think he has had some weird opinions (like calling Testa town off nothing, though now that read seems correct), but overall he seems to be making logical pushes.
I still have some concerns, but unlikely to want a yeet on them today:
Elements- I can't say I hard disagree with their positions, but wish they were in the thread a bit more.
Duchess- I'm still not settled on whether their aggression with GC was legit or fabricated. I also don't love that they've disappeared from the thread when the spotlight went off. Still, some of their thread spewing felt like it would be very hard to fake as scum.
I go back and forth:
Reformed Toxic Player- Main reservation here is the point I made about laughing off a considerable goof, and that RTP is a good scum player. I will say that their play this game seems less chaos making and more trying to actually solve the game, which gives me town vibes. I'm still trying to sort how much of that I'm feeling based on the changed playstyle.
Harumi Ayasato- lol, who?
Kill, kill, kill
Dunnstral- explanation given.
RLotus- this dude tunneled the fuck out of Italiano all game, and then is acting like I'm taking public polling to decide where I place my vote. Bad faith arguments and tunnely behavior is two strikes in my book.
Did you ever explain this townread/slip on harumi? I don't have a clue on that slotIn post 1201, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:duchess has been on my backburner and i keep reminding myself about that slot - they are definitely hard under the radar alongside harumi slot maxwell - i still think harumi leans town here though.In post 1198, Andresvmb wrote:VPB and Datisi are not both Scum here. I’m going to go out on a limb and claim that’s impossible based on how they’ve played. GC yeah maybe is Scum, but if they’re not, then what? You agree one of Italiano/Duchess deserves some scrutiny then right? But no mention of that? I’m not following.
God I feel this.In post 1222, Andresvmb wrote:No I can’t cite any game where you’ve been this chaotic at all. It’s confusing as hell to me. That’s why I’m struggling with how to read you.In post 1220, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:can you cite a scum game of mine where my reads were this chaotic btw
Rereading this realized that andres is implying im not like this as town ~ will link games later on bc this is false.In post 1296, VP Baltar wrote:God I feel this.In post 1222, Andresvmb wrote:No I can’t cite any game where you’ve been this chaotic at all. It’s confusing as hell to me. That’s why I’m struggling with how to read you.In post 1220, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:can you cite a scum game of mine where my reads were this chaotic btw
