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there's a lesson in game management here. don't allow Day 1 in a mini to last 50 pages, or everyone just gets salty as hell.In post 1348, RLotus wrote:
If there are any instances where my read progression feels unnatural let me know. I doubt you've done that kind of analysisIn post 1346, Battle Mage wrote:
so you're saying you changed it up after you got called out?In post 1343, RLotus wrote:
That's not even true anymoreIn post 1341, Battle Mage wrote:i'm scumleaning you, as i said earlier - not much reads progression at all.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Day-elimmed by majority - 4
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sorry if im making the game a bad environment im really really frustrated with BM and im holding back a lot in terms of what I want to say. they won't even approach me in good faith when I'm trying to extend the olive branch and talk out stuff or like they are just framing anything I say as scum motivated and it really like ticks me off when ppl do that bc its like .. idk.
its like - are you just gonna sit there and tunnel me and just not play the game and just omgus anyone who doubts that im scum?
bc thats what im seeing as the basis of ur reads rn - anyone who is doubting u is scum and its like frustrating to see cuz im starting to just straight lean town on u bc idek what agenda u can be focused on here. like theres been a TON thats happened thats made me reeval myself - and others have too and that makes me feel that others should be too - bc I'm definitely town here.- RLotus
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My apologies. I am quite annoyed with how this game is going if it isn't obvious.In post 1349, Battle Mage wrote:
i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!In post 1345, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.
Do you find any of my read progressions unnatural that I can clarify you? Because I believe you reason for scumleaning me is flawed and obviously know it is wrong.- Reformed Toxic Player
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That's rich coming from the dude who's just hardtunneling people and never tries to engage in good faith and thinks that its a good play.In post 1349, Battle Mage wrote:
i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!In post 1345, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.- Reformed Toxic Player
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k im done im gonna come back later. I'm not done with you battle mage. I really dont fucking care how much you think I'm scum, you should be willing to talk to me about stuff instead of shutting up and refusing to reeval. I'll tell you firsthand I have done that tactic and it didn't work out. It never works out. It just leads to a wasted push. and you like trying to cry victim when you're the one making the game unenjoyable for me with a shitpush is peak hypocrisy. You're here to play a game with all of us. Act like it.- Reformed Toxic Player
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all good brother. i'm just feeling quite ambivalent about it all. i've said we can do someone else other than you.In post 1353, RLotus wrote:
My apologies. I am quite annoyed with how this game is going if it isn't obvious.In post 1349, Battle Mage wrote:
i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!In post 1345, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.
Do you find any of my read progressions unnatural that I can clarify you? Because I believe you reason for scumleaning me is flawed and obviously know it is wrong.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Who are you looking at other than myself and RTP?In post 1357, Battle Mage wrote:
all good brother. i'm just feeling quite ambivalent about it all. i've said we can do someone else other than you.In post 1353, RLotus wrote:
My apologies. I am quite annoyed with how this game is going if it isn't obvious.In post 1349, Battle Mage wrote:
i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!In post 1345, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.
Do you find any of my read progressions unnatural that I can clarify you? Because I believe you reason for scumleaning me is flawed and obviously know it is wrong.- Datisi
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why do you vote lotus here if you're likely to be updating reads?In post 1188, ItalianoVD wrote:I’m catching up and I’m more than likely gonna be updating my reads.
@Datisi, I still don’t know what to think of you. Baltar is somewhat clearing you, but I’m not gonna place you both at town just yet. For all I know you’re partners. Just thinking about it most likely not, if anything it’s a t/s connection I don’t know so you stay null. You scumreading me for your reasons are goofy to me, but I’m not gonna change your mind and I’m not gonna try to, I’m gonna move on. Like I told Lotus run my iso back, which gives all my thoughts and reads. If you run it back and still think I’m scum then do your thing.
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also like, why are connecting my alignment to baltar? i get we're townreading each other, but i'm my own slot here. the reasons are "goofy", do you have no opinion on which alignment they're more likely to come from???
i didn't think this day would ever come.In post 1209, Andresvmb wrote:Fascinating. We actually reached the same exact conclusion independently.
ok leaving this game for past midnight was a horrible fucking idea
i'm gonna go sleep and be back on this in ~9 hoursI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Battle Mage
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I think I'm pretty locked on RTP now - partly for being scummy, and partly for continuing to behave in a negative way, even after my polite request. I'm not normally one to advocate for policy-elims, but everyone else is pretty chill and we just need to elim somebody asap, and I think there's a good chance of a scumflip!In post 1358, RLotus wrote:
Who are you looking at other than myself and RTP?In post 1357, Battle Mage wrote:
all good brother. i'm just feeling quite ambivalent about it all. i've said we can do someone else other than you.In post 1353, RLotus wrote:
My apologies. I am quite annoyed with how this game is going if it isn't obvious.In post 1349, Battle Mage wrote:
i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!In post 1345, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.
Do you find any of my read progressions unnatural that I can clarify you? Because I believe you reason for scumleaning me is flawed and obviously know it is wrong.
I'll VOTE: RTP again just to create some inspiration.
If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll hopefully re-read the game in the light of flips and find some renewed motivation!Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Nightkilled - 10
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Day-elimmed by majority - 4
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grateful if others can sheep me on this, just so we can actually move things forward in a constructive way.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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That post pushed it over into a comfortable town read just because I think it's a low likelihood for scum to post that sort of thing. Before that, I was toying with town because of his tunnel on VD. He saw some early play that he thought looked scummy, and then stuck with it in a way that I find myself doing when convinced I've got scum. His openness about the fact he was tunneling doesn't do him any favors, so I don't see the "scum tunnel so they can be lazy" theory fitting.In post 1118, Datisi wrote:is there a reason why you're town on lotus that's not about that one post?"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- Reformed Toxic Player
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what is wrong with uIn post 1360, Battle Mage wrote:
I think I'm pretty locked on RTP now - partly for being scummy, and partly for continuing to behave in a negative way, even after my polite request. I'm not normally one to advocate for policy-elims, but everyone else is pretty chill and we just need to elim somebody asap, and I think there's a good chance of a scumflip!In post 1358, RLotus wrote:
Who are you looking at other than myself and RTP?In post 1357, Battle Mage wrote:
all good brother. i'm just feeling quite ambivalent about it all. i've said we can do someone else other than you.In post 1353, RLotus wrote:
My apologies. I am quite annoyed with how this game is going if it isn't obvious.In post 1349, Battle Mage wrote:
i'll only say this once dude - i'm not gonna respond to any posts which i personally consider disrespectful or discourteous (notwithstanding, completely inaccurate). Your attempts at baiting me are pointless - if you need to let off some negative steam, please keep it out of the game as it isn't fun for anybody. thanks!In post 1345, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:BM isn't interested in progressing their own read because it would require them to admit they were wrong and humility isn't their thing.
Do you find any of my read progressions unnatural that I can clarify you? Because I believe you reason for scumleaning me is flawed and obviously know it is wrong.
I'll VOTE: RTP again just to create some inspiration.
If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll hopefully re-read the game in the light of flips and find some renewed motivation!- Reformed Toxic Player
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thanks for the townread on me hereIn post 1363, Green Crayons wrote:
That post pushed it over into a comfortable town read just because I think it's a low likelihood for scum to post that sort of thing. Before that, I was toying with town because of his tunnel on VD. He saw some early play that he thought looked scummy, and then stuck with it in a way that I find myself doing when convinced I've got scum. His openness about the fact he was tunneling doesn't do him any favors, so I don't see the "scum tunnel so they can be lazy" theory fitting.In post 1118, Datisi wrote:is there a reason why you're town on lotus that's not about that one post?- Green Crayons
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Seeing these again, I agree that these three posts you quoted here *are* weird. I can see the theory that this is Baltar!scum trying to gin up a mis-elim by making someone else (BM) take the lead.**In post 1169, RLotus wrote:
Initially, I read these side questions/him pushing people from the side as towny. It wasn't until his interactions with BM did I realize that he kept poking at slots without trying to solve them.In post 1154, Green Crayons wrote:
I'm curious: did you have problems with Baltar's play before his RTP vote, and that was the last straw and so you laid out this case against Baltar, or did his RTP vote bother you so you went to go back and look to see if there was something suspicious about his play, and that's when you saw these problems that led to your long post?In post 945, RLotus wrote:You are taking advantage of the scumreads other people have rather than solving the game on your own. The easiest example to see is your absolute lack of progression of RTP. You kinda just were not talking about them then suddenly you scumread them after BM puts a vote there. Also, you looked willing to do the same with elements and myself. That's what is scummy.
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I'm listening. What are you seeing?In post 687, Battle Mage wrote:i'd do elements today if we could get a majority
Also is dunn at E-1 now?In post 758, VP Baltar wrote:
I have been thinking this as well. It is very one dimensional.In post 753, Battle Mage wrote:there is a distinct lack of progression in RLotus' ISO. Started with townreads on RTP and Duchess...and they remain the top 2 townreads. and has been only really focussed on Italiano since a few days ago.This series of posts in particular
But I don't see that in his earlier play, including the other posts you have quoted. So I don't agree that there's a unified presentation of Baltar!scum play in trying to get others to take the lead to a mis-elim.
**BM came into this game as super-town, though. And BM doesn't really get controlled, so I doubt Baltar was going to nudge BM somewhere he didn't want to go. So I'm not too hot on this theory actually fitting this situation."This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).- OutWorldER
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I don’t have a problem with that, but to me it just seems like a performance. It feels like that with a lot of your recent reads.In post 1231, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:yeah i did take a leap of faith when voting you to see what would happen. and? whats your point? townlean by no means means im going to stop examining your play and poke at suspicious stuff.
EhIn post 1270, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:italiano ily but im sadly just not following what youre saying but it feels towny ur just thoughtspewing so keep it up bud
That whole post read like a scummy agenda. Like you’re trying to direct the traffic. In fact your play today has felt that.In post 1285, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
before I go - please try to explain how you think it was agenda-y in the context, like whats my agenda. (or maybe you just think its scummy, and are using bad words?? bc idk what u mean there) are u townreading GC is that why?In post 1284, ItalianoVD wrote:
Fair enough, we can agree to disagree here.In post 1280, Andresvmb wrote:
I think this is a bit of a reach actually.In post 1276, ItalianoVD wrote:
This feels very agenda’y’In post 1104, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:I'd like to point out that GC's been extremely vague about reasoning and cannot ellaborate when pushed on and starts talking in circles or just reverts to other points, or just points out shallow things
I never really scumread VP like I said earlier in the game, but at the time I felt like he could possibly be scum. Ironically his interactions and posts didn’t actually feel like it. Felt like I was trying to force something that wasn’t quite there. Though I haven’t worked out how I feel about the interaction between you two yet.In post 1289, RLotus wrote:Italiano, I got the impression you were scumreading VP earlier or were suspicious of him at least. What changed for you?
You were/are so certain I was scum and fmpov I know you’re wrong so it’s not frivolous for me to think you’re doing it again.In post 1287, RLotus wrote:
That's a pretty shallow reason to think I'm wrong. But you're right it wouldn't be the first time I am wrong when I am hard pushing someone.In post 1286, ItalianoVD wrote:
You tried this on me and you were/are wrong there. I’m thinking you’re wrong here as well.In post 1131, RLotus wrote:Vote VPB whenever you feel like voting for scum- ItalianoVD
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Well that’s what I do when I can’t read a player. Other people’s input on slots are valuable to me.In post 1359, Datisi wrote:also like, why are connecting my alignment to baltar? i get we're townreading each other, but i'm my own slot here.- Reformed Toxic Player
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okayIn post 1368, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:
thanks for the townread on me hereIn post 1363, Green Crayons wrote:
That post pushed it over into a comfortable town read just because I think it's a low likelihood for scum to post that sort of thing. Before that, I was toying with town because of his tunnel on VD. He saw some early play that he thought looked scummy, and then stuck with it in a way that I find myself doing when convinced I've got scum. His openness about the fact he was tunneling doesn't do him any favors, so I don't see the "scum tunnel so they can be lazy" theory fitting.In post 1118, Datisi wrote:is there a reason why you're town on lotus that's not about that one post?
grass is blue and sky is green"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting). - Green Crayons
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