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ISO · Post Post #4750 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:45 pm

In post 4746, AGar wrote:Yeah you're going to have to do better than a vanilla cop+ could have potentially a result on him that doesn't clear or not clear him.

Bzzt! Wrong! There is no sense in eliminating there today at all.

ISO · Post Post #4751 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:46 pm

In post 4747, AGar wrote:Also mastina has the two players I want to yeet most as town and also had Luca as very town so I am very comfortable in the fact that Almost50 and Hopkirk need to fucking diediedie.

Then I guess we'll have to yet scum without your help today.

ISO · Post Post #4752 (ISO) » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:46 pm

Also like, mastina thinking someone is town isn't actually a good reason to elim them that's just a meme.

innocentvillager · Post Post #4753 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:49 am

In post 4752, Cephrir wrote:Also like, mastina thinking someone is town isn't actually a good reason to elim them that's just a meme.

lol thank you

innocentvillager · Post Post #4754 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:54 am

In post 3621, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 3425, innocentvillager wrote:okapoka yells at infinity to ping Winter on discord to get Winter to move his vote, then this sequence of posts happens

In post 3012, Winter Flakes wrote:I am here

In post 3017, Winter Flakes wrote:what are the options? lld dgb and ythan?

In post 3024, Winter Flakes wrote:I dont really like either of those options but if lld green flips we get more info I think is she at L-1?
this came at the same time, then there was a 6 hr gap until this post:

In post 3073, Winter Flakes wrote:I popped back in because Infinity pinged me on discord after Oka asked him to?
and then he finally votes dgb

this is not how a scum hydra handles this interaction, imo
So it seems people were not convinced from my Winter argument so I will try to explain myself little more and maybe people can tell me where they disagree. The crux of the Winter TL is that:

1) Infinity didn't really try to fill Winter in on why they were pinging him, based on Winter's entrance to the thread. I believe scum!Infinity would try to at least assess the situation based on it being EOD and potentially advise Winter what the optimal course of action would be to not look scummy, or tell him to not. Infinity has been helping out the team a lot in general so I would've expected something more thorough if Winter was scum here; rather, it felt like the focus was urgency of getting Winter in-thread

2) Winter immediately just posted "I am here", when he TOTALLY could've delayed it/pretended he hadn't seen it or Infinity hadn't pinged him yet when he had made up his mind or something. This is also indicative of (1) happening.

3) Winter looked like he was genuinely trying to process what was going on in real time (more evidence of (1) being the case), and instead of committing to something or "promising to commit to a vote", he just called both wagons meh and ducked out. I don't see scum Winter doing that, I could be totally off base here but the vibe I get from Winter as a player is that he is more self-conscious of how he is perceived in thread and that whole interaction definitely did not feel self-conscious at all

can someone debunk my reasoning for winter flakes being town for my sanity? i remembered this carrying a decent amt of weight for me in my TL of him but since then he still hasn't done much so i feel less inclined to defend him now, even though it overall seems like a town!indicative interaction

Almost50 · Post Post #4755 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:27 am

In post 4746, AGar wrote:At the time of you posting this there are 2 votes on Hopkirk and 0 votes on me.

Sorry I missed this rule:

Hearts may not be led until a heart or the queen of spades has been discarded.

In post 4746, AGar wrote:3 posts ago you were willing to yeet me and made no mention of trying to yeet hopkirk. The explanation never followed.

I did post twice between the two though, And.. WHAT? Made no mention of trying to yeet hopkirk?? Mate, you really need to see an ophthalmologist ASAP.

In post 4746, AGar wrote:Why do any of them need to be scum?

Why would you want him to reconsider his TRs then?

In post 4746, AGar wrote:Yeah you're going to have to do better than a vanilla cop+ could have potentially a result on him that doesn't clear or not clear him.

Neapolitans are not "Vanilla Cops". Neapolitans

can

confirm someone to be Town, and

precisely a Vanilla Townie

.
I'll reiterate: I will only vote in jjh/AGar today, and will vote the other tomorrow if I am still alive.

Hopkirk · Post Post #4756 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:13 am

VOTE: agar

did i not do this yesterday, that's weird

Titus · Post Post #4757 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:38 am

I don't mind a jjh wagon but I don't feel comfortable voting with iv. :/

Winter Flakes feels like they're taking advantage of mastina being wrong.

Cephrir gives bad gut vibes, although he doesn't have direct scum ties in my VCA.

Hopkirk is mech town or scum with the announcer role. No point in pushing there until massclaim, which makes Bell suspect.

That leaves voting with mastina or voting her. I feel like she's the townbeard though.

innocentvillager · Post Post #4758 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:11 am

In post 4757, Titus wrote:I don't mind a jjh wagon but I don't feel comfortable voting with iv. :/

nonono need to be uncomfortable...ii am very comfortable...huehue

innocentvillager · Post Post #4759 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:14 am

In post 4755, Almost50 wrote:Neapolitans are not "Vanilla Cops". Neapolitans can confirm someone to be Town, and precisely a Vanilla Townie.

imagine an announcing vanilla cop lol

as if vanilla cops weren't already useless enough

OkaPoka · Post Post #4760 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:57 am

VOTE: jjh

i think this is worse than winter flakes and thus bottom

Bell · Post Post #4761 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:02 am

In post 4211, Ythan wrote:I'm being intentionally vague! I'm not sure how clear to be so I hope you don't mind if I wait for more relevant parties to post and continue to be coy for the moment.

The posts around this one.
What was happening here?

OkaPoka · Post Post #4762 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:08 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12607961

start here come back to me if you still have questions

Bell · Post Post #4763 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:12 am

So it was a movie reference?

OkaPoka · Post Post #4764 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:13 am

Ythan · Post Post #4765 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:22 am

IV called a50 his partner right after his ridiculous fakeclaim and I took it as a mason claim but that wasn't correct.

OkaPoka · Post Post #4766 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:23 am

ur too soft these days ythan

Ythan · Post Post #4767 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:02 am

Thank you but I think you're in the minority.

innocentvillager · Post Post #4768 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:06 am

i mean, you were correct on me being mason (with OkaPoka), just not that I claimed mason at the time you think I did

oka did you think i was claiming mason with A50 there too? lol

OkaPoka · Post Post #4769 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:09 am

i had no clue it was about you until ythan voted a50 and i was like oh lmao

i thought ythan was gambitting or something

innocentvillager · Post Post #4770 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:12 am

is it anti town for you to explain what you thought was happening? if you don't think it is im curious bc it seemed like you were one of the people making me feel dumb for not knowing what was going on lol

AGar · Post Post #4771 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:33 pm

In post 4750, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4746, AGar wrote:Yeah you're going to have to do better than a vanilla cop+ could have potentially a result on him that doesn't clear or not clear him.
Bzzt! Wrong! There is no sense in eliminating there today at all.

Because he said someone visited him? Because there's no way he could lie about that, right?

In post 4752, Cephrir wrote:Also like, mastina thinking someone is town isn't actually a good reason to elim them that's just a meme.

I mean I've actually listed out on both of those players, but that would require you reading a post that was more three fucking sentences and we all know that's too much of an inconvenience for you to do.

Keely thinks it's garbage that y'all are choosing to ignore the actual case I presented on hopkirk, relying on the crutch of "mechanics". I think y'all are just bad. :shrug:

@A50

4755 was so fucking hilariously bad - you should have like 11 coaches at your disposal to help you make better posts as scum.

ISO · Post Post #4772 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:59 pm

In post 4771, AGar wrote:Because he said someone visited him? Because there's no way he could lie about that, right?

it's... extremely verifiable? why do you care so much if we catch scum today vs tomorrow? if no one comes forward tomorrow, we'll pretty much know the neapolitan is scum, which will also be useful information.

ISO · Post Post #4773 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:00 pm

In post 4771, AGar wrote:I mean I've actually listed out on both of those players, but that would require you reading a post that was more three fucking sentences and we all know that's too much of an inconvenience for you to do.

I read it. You don't need to be a dick.

ISO · Post Post #4774 (ISO) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:02 pm

I think Keely is capable of processing the idea that we shouldn't elim someone who may be cleared the next day. He's a smart guy. About half of the points you made resonated with me and Hopkirk has been on my suspect list since day 1 where he remains. I'm hardly the person to bitch at about this.