TM 2021 Large Normal 2: Wikipedia Integer Facts (Over)

[Xtoxm]

Rich! Is Auro still piloting this game for you or did you decide to play?

auro has never been piloting anything, but you wouldnt know cus you havent been reading my posts
sucks for you it took 190 pages for any of your teammates to open your game
and then clearly not bother reading in any level of detail

im not here to argue fundamental mech with you
eat a yeet and if you flip town go back to the newbie queue

VOTE: agar

[Almost50]

There are, legitimately, only four slots that should be elimination candidates today:
{AGar, Bell, OkaPoka, Winter Flakes}.

Everyone else should be off the table for damn good reasons.

And I really don't get why people aren't realizing that OkaPoka's been on a game-long campaign to put people down, to shade them, without actually doing anything town.

I think mastina's reads are worth sheeping today (General statement. I still can't see Winter as Scum). Here's why I had Oka as a Scum Lean:

me thinks everyone who has posted so far is town because we've clearly been spamming refresh for the past 12 hours so we can start shitposting

When I saw that post; I went back to count the posts of people who had posted thus far (and -of course- mark their names down). I went on beyond that post until someone new posted (Dann). Here's how it went (number between brackets is the post count of that player at that point):

IV(1) – Oka(1) – AGar(1) – Ythan(1) – IV(2) – IV(3) – Oka(2) – IV(4) – IV(5) – IV(6) – Oka(3) – hercule(1) – Hop(1) – IV(7) – Ythan(1) - hercule(2) – hercule(3) – hercule(4) – Hop(2) – Hop(3) – Ythan(2) – Oka(4) – IV(8) – hercule(5) – hercule(6) – IV(9) – hercule(7) - hercule(8) – Oka(5) – IV(10) – hercule(9) – Hop(4) – Ythan(3) – Hop(5) – hercule(10) – IV(11) – hercule(11) – Oka(6) – hercule(12) - Hop(6) – hercule(13) – IV(12) – IV(13) – hercule(14) – IV(14) – Hop(7) – hercule(15) – Hop(8) – Oka(7) – hercule(16) – Oka(7) – IV(15) - IV(16) – Hop(9) – IV(17) – Hop(10) – IV(18) – Hop(11) – Hop(12) – hercule(17) – Hop(13) – IV(19) – Hop(14) – Ythan(4) – IV(20) – Hop(15) – Hop(16) - Hop(17) – hercule(18) – Oka(8) – Hop(18) – Ythan(5) – Oka(9) – Hop(19) – IV(21) – Hop(20) – IV(22) – Oka(10) – Hop(21) – Ythan(6) - hercule(19) – IV(23) – Hop(22) – Hop(23) – hercule(20) – IV(24) – hercule(21) – Hop(24) – hercule(22) – Hop(25) – Oka(11) – IV(25) – hercule(23) - Hop(26) – hercule(24) – Oka(12) – IV(26) – Oka(13) – Hop(27) – IV(27) – Oka(14) – Hop(28) – IV(27)

So it was

Hop @28
IV @28
hercule @24
Oka @14
Ythan @6
AGar @1

Even more; the last post o0f the above sequence (IV's) was:

where is the scumteam? i only see townies posting

And since I saw nothing AI in that shitfest I couldn't help but suspect that Oka & IV were Scum for starters, and that at least one of Hop/hercule was also Scum. If not, then Ythan, but I totally disregarded AGar 9because he would not have been noticed anyway, so the "Town declaration" by Oka/IV would not have affected anyone's read on AGar; I thought.

Then I put it all on the back-burner and proceeded to develop reads as usual (I even almost forgot the whole matter, if it wasn't for me documenting it on file at the time). I also discounted my "not-so-accurate" rule of 1 Scum in the first 3 posters (I know it's not a rule of the thumb, so I just mark them down with one "-" each and move on. I only come back to it when everything else falls.)

So, to sum it up: With hercule's slot flipping red the above two posts are brought back to my attention, although I do TR IV still (and Oka is at the exact null line, right above Bell who is my weakest SR)

Oka ALSO insisted on the Vig shooting me, and that I should be on someone outside his "block" so I kinda thought his block must have at least one Scum if he is. (That's one

other than him

), and -again- IV, AGar & Ythan appear on the list (i.e. these 3 + Oka are the intersection of the "Oka block" group and the "shitposters of the opening 4.5 pages of the game" group.)

Now, can ANY of the above be described as "damning proof"?? Absolutely NOT. But these are

leads

that I am using to draw conclusions when I'm lost.

Disclaimer: I apologize if it looks too messy of a thought process to grasp for some. I know I'm not too good at explaining my thoughts, but I do believe a couple of you (maybe more) will be able to decipher the main idea still.

P.S. While AGar had only one post in that shot-stream, he was one of the 3 opening posters still. I am NOT using those as arguments against him now, but if I reach a totally independent SR on him for his play and it coincides with these virtual leads I sure am not going to complain about it.

[Almost50]

That cuts deep A50. Not because of the sass. But because you agreed with Mastina while you did it.

What's wrong with sheeping mastina.. for once??

[Almost50]

I think A50's vote was a bad vote.

Keep tightening your associatives with Scum, doggo. Need I remind you it was your vote that allowed Luca to self-hammer??

Btw, have a current readlist**

[*]Cephrir, Town beyond doubt. I'd bet a nut on it
[*]mastina, As strong a TR as I can get on mastina (I'm never 100% in her)
[*]Titus, Unless I'm wrong about ALL my SRs, this is Town!Titus
[*]Winter Flakes, Fairly confident this is Town (no meta involved)
[*]Xtoxm, My read has been up and down all. Currently a TR but I can't disregard the paranoia (check his signature for more details)
[*]Ythan, Really bad Town or really good Scum. I'm not sure anymore
[*]innocentvillager, Gun-to-head this is Town. I just wish I kew what Scum!IV looks like first hand
[*]Hopkirk, Potentially VT confirmed via Nea result. To be revisited on D4.
[*]OkaPoka, Willing to give him the benefit of doubt forn his early “bus” of Luca
[*]Bell, He's always useless in my experience, but something tells me this is useless Scum!Bell, and the E-1 on Luca is totally NAI bc it could have been planned to let Luca self-hammer.
[*]jjh927, I am not used to jjh being this abscent. jjh was in my team in TM2020 and he was NK'd on N1 in his game, Not being on Luca makes jjh Scum to me. 90% confidence now
[*]AGar, The more I see from him the more I am convinced he is Scum. And to think I had him in my semi-confident TRs makes me blush in shame (It's also one of the main reasons I am second guessing myself on most slots, because I had built my world about him being Town before. Also check the read on Hopkirk

**Some reads are unchanged from the last one I posted, and some have had minor edits (additions). The only one I did change completely before I post this was the Hopkirk read because of the new info. This readlist was composed during the night though, so -aside from Hopkirk- no one else has been edited during this day phase.

[Almost50]

Note that I still had Oka as a suspoect (I hinted he was bus'ing Luca)

[Bell]

A50, I revoted Luca because I was scum reading Luca. Like, what information was luca even denying by self voting there?

[Almost50]

I dunno, and I don't care. I just made it a note for later in case I needed it. I am not even casing you here, and I will wait for more info before I make up my mind on you.

But why is it

my

read on you that you specifically care about? Do you somehow believe I should be able to read you better than anyone else?

[Bell]

No, I'm trying to nudge you into reading me correctly. But I don't think I've felt a need to address your read of me more than anyone elses.

[Almost50]

Well, who knows? Maybe the Nea wants to check you next. That would be swell for you, right?

[Bell]

4801
I can decipher them, but there is a clear foundational flaw to the reasoning presented, in that not everyone interprets posts in the same way and not everyone has the same intent when they post the same thing.

[Bell]

Well, who knows? Maybe the Nea wants to check you next. That would be swell for you, right?

Unironically, yes. Since then I won't have to deal with you giving me shit.

[OkaPoka]

maybe we should just give scum a list of nk targets at this point

[Almost50]

@Bell: If it makes you feel better, my VCA works in your favour. Unfortunately; half of the players here do not even believe in VCA, and the other half do not believe in my reads.

[Xtoxm]

Well, who knows? Maybe the Nea wants to check you next. That would be swell for you, right?

Well, who knows? Maybe the Nea wants to check you next. That would be swell for you, right?

Unironically, yes. Since then I won't have to deal with you giving me shit.

nice, guys
very pro town

[Almost50]

maybe we should just give scum a list of nk targets at this point

Look who's talking, The very same person that insisted I should target outside of a 6-names list, thus giving scum 6 clear targets (well, 6 minus the number of scums in it).

[Almost50]

Well, who knows? Maybe the Nea wants to check you next. That would be swell for you, right?

Well, who knows? Maybe the Nea wants to check you next. That would be swell for you, right?

Unironically, yes. Since then I won't have to deal with you giving me shit.

nice, guys
very pro town

You think the Nea's going to follow my lead?

OK, NVM... do you think it's beyond Bell to fake VT as Nea at this point??

[Almost50]

Geez. Some of you really live in a two-dimensional world, so the very concept of a box isn't conceivable to them, let alone thinking outside it.

[OkaPoka]

and for some reason i was fine with that i wonder why could it be

the power of math

[Cephrir]

at some point some powerwolf player is going to come to this site and realize they can get town players to claim just by annoying them a little and it will be such a reckoning

[Cephrir]

i guess it already is an epidemic

[Almost50]

Changing subject: here's another random thought from earlier too

There's at least 1 Scum with Oka in

Titus/Bell/Winter/Luca/jjh

. This is because Oka claims to have lost hope in winning the tournamnet when Mathblade lost his Scum game. If We assume (hypothetically) each team rolled Scum once then every team winning their TIWN games reults in all teams being tied at 3 wins and 1 loss. However, Oka being assertive they lost already hints he knows at least one of the teams that are “already ahead of his team” shares his alignment in this game, so him winning the game will not make up for the deficit.

Some may argue but he probably is referring to the fact we only have 4 Scum here, so -at max- he can make up the deficit with 4 of the 6 (7 if you count LLD, but she alredy flipped Town), but I will refer back to the hypothetical proposition of 1 Scum role per team to explain that if his team wins all 3 Town games they are tied with everyone else; hypothetically.

So, what I'm saying is: the way Oka sees it is if he wins he keeps another team (or more) ahead of him still, and if he loses these lose with him and the already ahead “Town” teams from the game that ended will gain another point over him.

Note 1: Geez, I started taking notes to filr because of my bad memory, and now I'm forgetting to even look at these notes!

Note 2: Guess who flipped red from the proposed pool. 'nother reason why I find mastina's reads incredibly sensible, regardless of accuracy.

[Almost50]

And then I am sure some of you will be in the next game I play and will still demand that I explain everything on D1, and call me scummy for failing to comply

[OkaPoka]

it means my entire scumteam is in that pool right? so if i label someone town outside that pool you are mandated to townread them?

[OkaPoka]

so if you truly believe that, agar is town and you have to unvote him

[Almost50]

it means my entire scumteam is in that pool right? so if i label someone town outside that pool you are mandated to townread them?

Does the phrase "at least 1" mean "entire" in your language??