In post 1346, Prism wrote:sangres, if it isn't obvious I honestly have no fucking clue who is scum this game, suggestions are welcome, looks like you kind of concur on Titus but do you have any others? iirc you also scumread Dunn for that weird ass interaction with us
Titus in general has been a delusional/cynical mess all game long, so I agree with you, there's just one or two posts that give me doubt.
I don't have a solve, and i'd be shocked if I did. My playstyle usually is more about townreads/POE, but I occasionally do get strong scumreads.
Titus moonlogic used to be a thing. I don't know if it still is. She wasn't totally off the deep end with her reads in the Tenet game IIRC, but we weren't in the same thread and I didn't pay as much attention to her as I would have if we could interact more directly. But, her moonlogic used to annoy me, not immediately make me think she was scum in most of the games I recall. I can't even call this moonlogic, really. I think some of what she posts is manufactured.
Her post about the dysfunctional townblock, it seems like we at least agree on some reads, though I don't agree we're in a hopelessly dysfunctional situation atm.
I'm scumreading Titus and Mastina.
I'm POE-ing Battle Mage.
Quiet is in this strange place where I think he's scum, I think he's going to get replaced, and and I think there's a really good chance a strong player could turn that slot around as either alignment and if that happens I sure hope they're town because I'll have trouble holding onto a read based on 8 posts.
I'm probably wrong on at least one of these reads if for no other reason than the size of the game.
Titus wrote:@sangres, Everything flowing isn't how I read you. In fact, one could argue consistency is scummy.
Your position on me has been tunnely nonsense. I get some of the votes on me. Yours, I struggle to see a town perspective on. It feels like a chainsaw from my earlier posting. You never took me head on and said your problem imo but you were perfectly ok to sheep other opinions.
I play conversationally too but if everyone plays conversationally we get a deadline elimination on town. I suck day one (usually) so it's best to let others take charge with such bullshit in place.
The problem is that letting others take charge shouldn't lead to opinions being treated as bullshit or ignored. I felt compelled to reply to this post because this reachout from whichever head is talking feels rather genuine and caused me to reconsider that read.
I agree with the game pace being fine. The problem is it's because slots are silenced. Tammy and mastina have nothing memorable. I can't push on the Prism/Cakez issue because it would take too many posts to pressure the thread and demand that read from Cakez while fending off "confirmed" town. Fighting confirmed town when you suck at day 1, defending yourself takes valuable resources, and you can't get a solid person to sheep is hard. It's hopeless when I can't see who to get to work together.
I'll read through this one more time by Saturday at noon. Then eliminate me or not.
The popularity contest for artifacts encourages the lying for power. Then the post limit creates a tradegy of the commons situation with posting.
Every post I make takes a post from someone else. Players like Math don't get that. He sucks day 1 too and he spams. He doesn't work with others. I think his level of crazy is town this game but I have been burned before.
I guess what I need is hope. I don't see where it is.
This is ffery. If you were reading my posts, you'd know that because I've mentioned a couple times that Nacho's last post was on Monday night and our hydra chat has gone dark since then too, except for a quick explanation and apology for his inability to play right now due to work.
Everything flowing from my wincon is not consistency. In fact it tends to be inconsistent because I react.
A LOT.
to the gamestate changing.
I agree though that consistency can be a scum marker. It's part of what I look for in trajectory analysis.
Your stance on Mathblade looked really opportunistic and just...fake...to me. The idea that you'd townread someone and be willing to write them off so early on day 1 as a liability if they're town anyway is alien. I have run into players who I think are so bad as town that it's probably better to policy them, but it's almost impossible to follow through. If they're town, they're on my team.
I've been reluctant to engage you directly because we have ALWAYS clashed in games. I don't think you have ever played with scum-me. If you did, you'd know that I generally don't do traditionally strategic or tactical stuff as scum, like chainsawing. Or if I do, it's completely accidental because it's not where my focus is at.
This is also why your VCAs never speak to me when I'm town, too, and I wind up yelling at you about them until one of us is dead when you make eliming one of my strongest townreads your entire focus because of your VCA.
See that game where everyone had a post restriction that Serene 2 ran in 2015. Our conflict on AP was intractable. If you could have been reasoned with on that we might have been able to work together on reads where we agreed or where you were correct and I was wrong about another player.
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I see your post about depression and I hope some time away helps you feel better.
I considered deleting some of the above because I hate berating people who are in a bad place.
I'm leaving it because if there's any chance of you and I working together effectively in this game or in any future game, understanding where I come from as town and why I'd prefer to just not step into the huge pothole that seems to happen in every game we play together has to be a start. There is no doubt work I need to do to read you better and to play around the stuff you do that is antithetical to how I approach games. It's not like I'm always 100% right, or the final arbiter on how mafia should be played or something.
