Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[ItalianoVD]

i uuuuuuuh
ya uuuuh
i don't awnna move my vote

So don’t. And why would you?

[Alisae]

cuz krazy wants harumi and im not sure after harumi shaded krazy im not sure why that happens if harumi is scum

[Krazy]

yeah I was wondering about that

like on the one hand, as town she probably has found me as town by now, and as scum she maybe? conceives of a world where she has to keep me as a misflip?

but I'm veerrrry slightly more concerned by marci just not wanting to use her vote at all

hmmmmmmm

I feel like cantrip is not usually where I'd first go here, but if you and Itali both BELIEVE in the cantrip... idk I can just give it to you today I guess?

[Alisae]

Cantrip would make a lot of sense yes

[Krazy]

hit me with marci town just one more time?

[Alisae]

her play this phase seems more townie than scummy i think

[Alisae]

cantrip just seems like scum here :/

[Krazy]

Hmm, I had a hot take that Alisae and Krazy were buddies, but that whole "not playing mafia atm" confusion feels unlikely to be scum theatre.

Hmm, I had a hot take that Alisae and Krazy were buddies, but that whole "not playing mafia atm" confusion feels unlikely to be scum theatre.

this is good.

did you re-evaluate this take or is it more that you think harumi and marci are better?

also do you think cantrip kills kazy?

[Alisae]

think harumi and marci are better

[Alisae]

also do you think cantrip kills kazy?

Well you see, because I asked for protectives to be on you otherwise they're trolling, scum decided that they couldn't kill you and because of that, decided to kill kazy

[Alisae]

it's really 5 head i know

[Krazy]

Town:
Marci
Meuh
Kazyan
Krazy*

Null:
Harumi
2nd
eth0s

Scum:
Italiano
Krazy*

{Krazy}
{Kazyan}
{alisae, cantripmancer, italiano, 2ndchosen} - I know I said I didn't like 2nd but I took another look and I've decided I might have been suffering from confirmation bias. Still a null for me though.
{Marcistar} - bit skittish and defensive which I don't like, but it's probably a playstyle thing so eh.
{meuh}

this is a big part of my hesitation

1 -- why does cantrip not kill meuh? she was counter-wagon to scum all day, she was on scum through the whole day, like kazy was pretty town for them hammer, so maybe that made them [kazy] a better kill, but for harumi it's very intuitive to kill kazy there
2- -- why did harumi have kazy as t2 town? this doesn't seem to really gel very well with what she was saying about them earlier, and then she kinda stops talking about them after this

like idk, can you look at harumi's trajectory on kazy and tell me why you think she had them at t2 in that reads list?

to me 451 just reflects a mindset of "ok, kazyan is going to be hard to flip this game" or was a slot she didn't plan to push in a world where she was scum

am I just overthinking about this because meuh was still being pushed by marci so she was a bad kill for that reason or what?

[Krazy]

VOTE: 2ndchosen1
You’re turn.

OMG YOUR SPELLING IS AWFUL POLICY EXECUTE THIS IMMEDIATELY THIS CANNOT BE FORGIVEN!!!!!!1!!11!!!

Does anyone else find the constant use of emoticons to come off as insincere, or is it just me?

What’s your definition of constant? And myself, meuh, and Marcistar all used them, so we’re all insincere?

Well there are quite a few posts which have emoticons literally almost every line, which I guess strikes me the wrong way??? I don't know, it's probably just me.

I guess... *this* is the confirmation bias she was referring to irt chosen? I'm also really confused by the discussion of "confirmation bias" in her reads list

[Krazy]

is there any reason that harumi/2nd combo is more scummy for non-interaction more than Ethos(ali)/2nd, Cantrip/2nd, IVD/2nd

although I guess you're right, this is kinda weird for a chosen/harumi world, idk

[Cantripmancer]

how do you feel about ali cantrip?

I feel like if there's a deep wolf, it's Ali over you, but generally, I'm pretty sure they're town.

I may have a chance to do some diving tonight, but if I'm just going to get eliminated, I'd rather not make the effort for no reason, so if someone's going to hammer, please make it sooner rather than later.

[Krazy]

I don't believe that the chainsaw defense really applies here, due mainly to the fact that Meuh can essentially say "you're voting for me, I am scumreading 2nd who had a wagon, therefore you're chainsawing" which is as ridiculous as it sounds. For that matter, the wiki page itself (

which you quoted

) says that it's a null tell without flips (i.e. now).

I do agree with Kazyan that Meuh is inconsistent with their votes, and seems to be very manipulative with how apologetic they are when called out.
Your read on eth0s also implies that you think people voting for you is scummy, which I don't really agree with.

So not looking super good right now. Let's see about 2nd.

Votecount 1.10:

2ndchosen1 (3) -

Krazy, Meuh, ItalianoVD

Meuh (2) -

Kazyan, Harumi Ayasato

Krazy (1) -

2ndchosen1

ItalianoVD (1) -

Cantripmancer

Harumi Ayasato (1) -

marcistar

Not voting (1) -

Alisae

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 will end at 11am GMT on the 20th February 2021 - (expired on 2021-02-20 11:00:00)

This might come off as a tad evasive but it's a bit difficult to do a full iso read when five pages show up overnight

My rough readlist would have to be as follows:

{Krazy}
{Kazyan}
{alisae, cantripmancer, italiano, 2ndchosen} - I know I said I didn't like 2nd but I took another look and I've decided I might have been suffering from confirmation bias. Still a null for me though.
{Marcistar} - bit skittish and defensive which I don't like, but it's probably a playstyle thing so eh.
{meuh}

actually maybe you're right, it's kinda weird to begin to bus and then *upgrade* her buddy to null when he's been pushed to l1 hmmmmm

[Krazy]

I may have a chance to do some diving tonight, but if I'm just going to get eliminated, I'd rather not make the effort for no reason, so if someone's going to hammer, please make it sooner rather than later.

what's your order for marci and harumi?

[Alisae]

Krazy
I do what you want
What do you want

[Alisae]

Like I think its cantrip but if you have something compelling for anyone else, I'll listen to you and help you out. Your interests are my interests so I don't really mind.

[Krazy]

Town:
Marci
Meuh
Kazyan
Krazy*

Null:
Harumi
2nd
eth0s

Scum:
Italiano
Krazy*

...might not be a definite tell, but I have a hard time seeing mafia going to lengths to find/remember a specific post from *checks date* a year and a half ago[!], highlighting it as comparable to a current post, using it to base a read, and then basically unpacking it and saying "ok, it probably doesn't feel comparable to anyone else (and it was a joke post, to boot), but I'm going to persist in my town read because of it". Not to say that mafia can't put in that kind of effort, but not only are there easier ways to fake a townread (or townread a buddy), but that kind of thought process feels just as likely to attract scrutiny as it does to achieve anything else. So...

Hmm, I had a hot take that Alisae and Krazy were buddies, but that whole "not playing mafia atm" confusion feels unlikely to be scum theatre.

I just want to feel better that the slot that wrote these posts actually flips scum, like idk if this is town I feel like I found town here, but I kinda feel that way about like... idk a lot of slots. I like your conviction

[Krazy]

I just want to see the scum posting that's all

like he's positionally scum insofar as he stalled a lot at the time that indicated chosen thought he had time to stall, but in terms of individual posts idk

[Krazy]

this dayphase has felt oddly empty of content

[Alisae]

you could make the argument that its more correct to flip harumi and marci before flipping cantrip but that's more risky I think

[Alisae]

I mean Krazy the game feels oddly empty of content because we're at the stage of the game where we're just going through the motions

[Krazy]

Question: Is mafia daychat the standard on this site? Or more common than not?

do you think he was trying to fake a dumbtell here?