Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[Alisae]

i think cantrip's reasons for suspecting marci/harumi are more ironclad than what marci and harumi have presented and to me, more ironclad = more likely coming from scum

[Krazy]

unless you think he was like, trying to ask chosen to actually check the scum PT or something? like was he worried chosen forgot there was scum daytalk?

[Alisae]

Question: Is mafia daychat the standard on this site? Or more common than not?

do you think he was trying to fake a dumbtell here?

I don't think the question is at all a dumbtell, I think they're just asking if the games on site all mostly run with daytalk.

[Krazy]

hmmm ok

[Alisae]

If you're asking me why its being asked I wouldn't be able to tell you

[Krazy]

Yeah, I haven't had a chance to go back and sift through the timeline, but I suspect that the defense of Chosen from Marci/Harumi started about the time it began to look likely that Chosen was going to be the elim. Just trying to figure out if they would have been able to coordinate the idea behind the scenes.

it was related to playing out a marci/harumi world irt chosen

[Krazy]

I may have a chance to do some diving tonight, but if I'm just going to get eliminated, I'd rather not make the effort for no reason, so if someone's going to hammer, please make it sooner rather than later.

what's your order for marci and harumi?

if you think you're just dead here, I'm not hammering without at least this to confirm that you're not like in the middle of a big post or something

[ItalianoVD]

The reason I asked Marci if she has played scum before is because newbscum could have been defending their partner the way she was defending Chosen. Generally I wouldn’t expect any scum to heavily defend their partner that blatantly, but knowing she’s a newb in that aspect kinda throws me off a bit, but I’d rather just assume she wouldn’t do that even as newbscum.

[ItalianoVD]

As the deadline closes in I wanna reiterate that I do not have a preference. I am on Cantrip and could vote for Harumi, but don’t wanna complicate things. As Marci and krazy have the final votes it’s really up to you guys. If I don’t in fact have a guardian angel then it’s been real my peeps. :lol If I do then I already know who I’ll be checking.

[Alisae]

ya ur a cop so u should just get shot right?

[ItalianoVD]

ya ur a cop so u should just get shot right?

I guess, I’m not confirmed, but scum know I’m telling the truth.

[Krazy]

Cantrip I'm probably just going to hammer you in like an hour to avoid no flip, so if you got anything to say now's the time

[Krazy]

Like in reality I just don't know that I wake up in time for hammer and I'm not letting this day go to NL, anytime after (expired on 2021-02-28 04:01:25) a hammer may come

[Krazy]

VOTE: CantripMancer

Alright well I guess it's time to stop messing around

I'm the actual Jailkeeper, I think Itali is very noble for trying to eat the nightkill here and I really appreciate it, but I do need to hardclaim here so that my soft inno is clear.

Last night I jailed Alisae. Unfortunately this means e's either the tracker or a VT since we never got a real night result in. I would explain why Itali is obviously not a real cop here but I don't want to get into it.. basically, he never cross-claims me here when he doesn't even know the setup, he like guessed Row 1, but given he would never cross-claim me under like 0 pressure he's pretty clearly just a VT. That's fine, I do appreciate him trying to eat the nightkill

Tonight I'm going to be on Harumi, obviously. This doesn't really matter at this point if we're in A since I'm just getting roleblocked and killed, but hopefully in eating both the nightkill and the kill Alisae can get a tracker result. If scum want to roleblock me and kill Alisae, I guess that's fine. I'm not expecting any reliable results at this point tbh

Itali is ALWAYS town here after that fakeclaim, I didn't really want to discuss it during the day since it's super obvious to me that he's just trying to eat a nightkill.

Now, if we're in C, and no one else *realclaims* tomorrow, and I die, then we can confirm it was C and in this case Harumi would be clear. If someone does end up claiming Tracker then that confirms we're in A. Obviously I knew we were not in B all day but I wanted to do the Friendly Neighbor stuff to make sure things didn't get ridiculous. I've been debating whether I claim all day which is why I wanted the hammer, but after Itali's fakeclaim I wanted to make absolutely clear that if I am killed in the night that Itali is not to flipped for fakeclaiming cop as VT since that's like never ever a scum play for him, okay? I know his play here may seem too technical for some new players but when if I flip JK *do not flip Itali* tomorrow and keep my night actions in mind for if there's a tracker claim, that should help you sort stuff out.

Alright, good luck guys, I still would have preferred Harumi today but ultimately that's fine, idk, Cantrip would definitely not have been my first choice and I feel weird about how passive Marci has been. But those will just have to be questions for tomorrow when I'm either dead or not dead.

[Nexus]

Votecount 2.5:

Cantripmancer (4-ELIMINATE)

- ItalianoVD, Alisae, Harumi Ayasato, Krazy

Harumi Ayasato (2)

- Meuh, Cantripmancer

Not voting (1)

- marcistar

Day 2 will end at 8pm GMT on Sunday 28th February 2021, (expired on 2021-02-28 20:00:00)

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate

[Nexus]

Cantripmancer - Mafia Goon - Eliminated Day 2

Congratulations Town, you win.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12580363 - Mafia PT
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12580346 - Mod PT
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12580382 - Dead PT

[Krazy]

GG!

Damn Cantrip, I wrote up that whole fakeclaim thinking you flip town!

[Krazy]

Wow.

I spent this entire game thinking BOTH Alisae and Meuh were crumbing PRs.......

[Alisae]

i think i only voted scum this game thats really pog

[Alisae]

ya i only voted scum feelsgoodman

[Alisae]

If any of the newbies want advice, me and krazy got ywall.
I may or may not be roping Krazy into this w/o his consent but I'm sure he doesn't mind!

[Krazy]

do kill krazy tho

thank you <3

(I'm not planning on hammering anytime soon. Don't need to look like I'm ending discussion prematurely.)

so I was right on the partner behavior

well as I expected, my poe was correct but in the wrong order lol

Really enjoyed this game, great list, thanks for playing everyone!

Uhh are SEs supposed to rant about stuff? I think the only mechanical thing that jumps out was that Italiano was not supposed to claim cop there.

Meuh -- you're great! really fun playing with you! I felt like you were softing PR and trying to bait a NK, was this correct or did I not get what you were doing?

Harumi -- I think getting a little more thought process into the thread would help, but overall solid play

Marci -- I think you did a really good job of projecting a townie tone, but sometimes when wagons stall out be a little more willing to compromise to end day with a flip. Unless you're really sure someone is town, it's better to hammer.

Kazy -- you were great! I know you got a bit frustrated at some points day 1 but you were playing really solid

Cantrip -- Honestly I think you played really well, although I do think you would have gotten a bit more towncred if you'd committed to the bus faster. You took too long to warm up to it. That being said you did a really good job projecting a townie tone.

Chosen -- Honestly I think avoiding spewing too much was an altogether reasonable choice, I still don't think you'd have pinged me so much if you'd been a bit more liberal with your vote. If you write a post that says you're basically scumreading someone, you should vote them, and if you write a post saying someone is no longer your scumread, you should vote someone else. That day 2 took *all* of day 2 reflects how little I got out of your iso lol.

Italiano -- You played really well overall, you townspewed relatively well. Claiming cop with a dead inno on day 2 is not correct mechanical play though, especially since you were under no pressure and were already townspewed by Chosen's iso. I'd definitely work on the timing of claims and mechanical play. Also I don't think copping the guy that hammered scum is generally a great idea although, idk, you gotta go with your gut as cop.

Alisae -- <3 we should spam less though I think it scared them. Also I really thought you were TPR lmao

[Krazy]

Also this is kinda bad sportsmanship, but if you get scum for a third time, you could just not confirm the PM.

Don't do this

I can confirm that discussing whether you would or would not accept scum role pms is in fact something that WILL get you banned on this site so it's best to avoid even talking about replacing out due to seeing red in the PM.

[Alisae]

Cantrip for what its worth, I think you played really well Day 1. The way you looked like you were sorting me and Krazy's interactions was really well done.
Mid to Late when it comes to playing scum its good to think about how to reach your desired endgame and how you actually plan to win the game. You identified the ml that you needed to get there and this is good. HOWEVER what most scum players aren't good at (myself included because this is hard, like really hard and I don't think most players on site are this good at scum) is not being obvious about trying to get there, because its during the mid to late game that most scum players really lazy which results in them being obvious with their agenda and them openwolfing. All I had to do to figure you out is just figure out how a player would win this game if they were scum, how that player gets to that wincon, and if they're playing towards that. Again, don't stress over this, because this is really hard. I'm like, top 10-20 scum players on site probably? This is something that even I have issues with. It's REALLY hard.

[Krazy]

Yeah, and like, I didn't see Harumi slightly townspewing herself by accidentally sabotaging her towncred by moving chosen to null when he was at f-1 until like my fourth reread. That's a very subtle thing though. That thing where you put me in your readslist twice was so townie... lmao, like you did have some very townie posts this game

I do think you needed some "big town energy" near EoD though, like if your attitude is "oh I'm gonna get hammered so I'm not going to try to case harumi" kinda meant no one had a lot of motivation to move off you. This is not a game that was lost due to you being scummy, this was a game that was lost due to town finding town, which is generally the reason *scum games should be lost* if you're going to lose a scum game. It's for that reason that playing scum is hard, imo.