Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

I kinda feel like sangres could be scum this game, but that could just be OMGUS. I don't have any particularly strong case or reason there. Same with Dunn.

I feel LLD and GreyICE are probably town, but their play is shit. LLD in particular cares more about control than honesty and valor. I bet that will make her angry but I don't really care about LLD's tantrums.

I am glad Math is actually quiet for a few hours to let the thread discussion go elsewhere for now.

I'm a bit paranoid Spiffeh is whiteknighting me but I like his content so I'm going to crawl into his pocket. I've been a bit lackluster this game and I know it, so I wonder how I'm so high in Spiffeh's reads.

Bork I lean town on but I want to see more to solidify that feeling.

Cakez is in the same emotional place as me, so I'm ok slotting him as town for now.

Find it odd KTT stopped the ISOing of Titus before this post. Just a random stop.

But assuming Titus flips scum and I think she will, look back on why Titus wanted to silence me.

[MathBlade]

Manipulative is a dirty word for persuasion btw. They're the same thing. I should sig this.

I do but if Dunn is town Titus stock goes down.
Bell is one of my few lock towns.

Bell is based on what? He's my highest SR currently.

VOTE: SirCakez

Come sheep me Bell.

Based on me being a day cop Titus /s

I have reasons but they’re anti town to say

VOTE: Mathblade

If you aren't willing to rationally discuss your reads but expect people to sheep you, I have no hope of reading you. When you don't work with people who are wagoning your scumreads because it's not your favorite, then I cannot work with you.

If I cannot read you and I cannot work with you, why keep you?

This isn't "persuasive", it's manipulative

Same difference.

I am persuading Math to be protown or I vote him.

I'm not about to enjoy a game with Math and LLD like this. So I'm getting the most protown result.

I'm persuading or manipulating Math to assist.

Again, I don't give two shits about the word choice. Just don't argue persuasion is manipulative and therefore scummy. They're the same thing.

The manipulative argument is just noise.

This isn’t persuading/manipulating. It’s threatening/bullying. Do what I want or die. Why does Titus focus all her effort on me. That is the question.

[MathBlade]

Sircakez, Battle Mage, GreyIce, and yourself

This is resistance to mathblade, not all are ok with going titus as well; most are instead tunneled on me to a frankly unrealistic degree

Sangres is honorarily ont he list because they keep directing questions at me while supposedly suspecting Mathblade but it doesn't have the same feel

I could buy Sangres as scum, particularly in the T v T v T scenario. I expect Nacho and ffery to have more of a presence with the posts they do make.

Because where I'm coming from, in the event that MathBlade is scum (which I highly highly doubt atm), it's a little hard to believe that any scum would fight for him at this point when he's dug himself a huge hole?

I would expect scum to bus him into the ground here instead of risk themselves trying to save him. And I think you're smart enough to be able to see that too.

I expect scum to be on the back of the Math wagon if he's town. I doubly expect the crowd to start a push to end the day if we get a non-Math push on scum. If Math is scum, I expect equal dispersement between early and late. There is still the caveat that scum will blitz bus if we get a wagon on his partner.

As long as LLD is claiming mason and is going to take control of the game, I'm not going to be the wagon for today unless there is strong disagreements from multiple members of the town

This type of attitude is just yucky regardless of alignment. It's a reminder that some votes matter more because of who is talking rather than what is being said. It's toxic and demotivating. Why should I bother posting if my posts won't be respected? I have other games where my effort matters.

This here imho is tantamount to another scum claim.

It’s a common mantra of Titus VCA that says you can’t do VCA without a scum flip. She’s also assuming that I will be elimmed or this post is useless. That’s what 90% of her posts are, useless fluff like this.

[Titus]

The only reason I'd vote Math at this point is to help clear up the gamestate
I think he continues to make bad post after bad post and I just don't think it's scum play at all

“Bad” post after “Bad” post << Bad is not defined.

It’s shit like this that pisses me off.

You calling something bad doesn’t make it true.

I find them excellent posts and I am probably dead tomorrow anyway.

*cough* Cakez isn't being direct because he's likely scum. *cough*

[SirCakez]

By "bad" i meant illogical and surface level scummy

[SirCakez]

I find them excellent posts and I am probably dead tomorrow anyway.

Like this for example
Yeah a lot of people SR you but you're acting like you are doomed when that is definitely not true

[MathBlade]

Yaknow I really wanted people to ask me about Prism so I could do this sooner but I actually don't feel like waiting as a reactive thing so I'mma be proactive and put this out.

I actually have a fairly compelling case for why I think Prism is scum here.

First I want to preface this by saying I'm intentionally playing more abrasively. As mentioned before, diversity is nice and I'm tired of playing friends after Iceland.

1: Nine times out of ten, a player saying this is going to be scum. Deliberately altering your playstyle in a game with multiple players intimately familiar with your playstyle and justifying it in advance is a common scum ploy. (Heck I can even back this up with a rather notorious example if you'd like, but suffice to say, this is a real tell.)

2: Nothing Prism has done this game has felt town. Quite the opposite in fact.

3: I believe Prism's flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe HG Wells would be a VT.

4: I believe HG Wells started with the trident. I do not believe HG Wells started with it as town; I believe it was a scum artifact that Prism is trying to get towncred for.

5: I believe the flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe that makes the claim town. Everyone who watched the show probably remembers how HG Wells ended up, as a retired warehouse agent more or less...but did they forget that HG Wells spent

an entire season

as THE series Big Bad? Whose opening episode on the show was

killing the series' long-established Big Bad

? Not out of heroism, but to show how she was eviler and more insane than the first Big Bad? (Whole, sorting algorithm of evil, thing; she killed the previous big bad to show that she was a worse threat than the previous big bad.)

In fact, HG Wells is one of only three Big Bads I can actually remember. (I know there were more than three, pretty sure, but she sticks out to me as one of the three real, non-imaginary-in-your-head Big Bads. The other two being the one she killed and the final Big Bad.)

In other words I think that Prism is a scum HG Wells, who is not a VT, and who started with the flavor-appropriate trident, and passed it on for cheap towncred.

Baah!

VOTE: Prism

I reserve the right to change this to a more useful place after my catchup but I like this case based on flavor.

I'll be watching for Mathblade's reaction to this post since he says he's a flavor expert.

At this point the thread is going to be pissed off when I flip town and bicker at each other. This is the first time I have /inned to a game in a year+ and the biggest thing I have learned is just to never /in and replace in always. And that’s sad.

You’re still scum Pooky.

Math is too busy looking at politics rather than engaging with the substance of what anyone is thinking. He's posting multiple stream of consciousness posts which actually don't make him more readable.

You know what would have made him more readable? Engaging with the substance of mastina's case using the flavor knowledge he bragged about. Instead, his posts are more about what he WANTS to be true. There's no thought process anyone can track because it's too scattershot.

That scattershot posting dominates the thread, making it hard to fathom questions that can help establish relationships between players without using a lot of posts to catch people's attention. I think there's a decent chance Math flips town here but with the artificial cap and lying LLD in charge, I don't care to fight it because we need to actually get to an environment where scumhunting is possible.

VOTE: pooky
here my Dunn vote is stale and Pooky's posting lately has been truly terrible

I can see a Prism Cakez scumteam here with Cakez 846 and 847. There's an appeal to Pooky's posts being terrible, which is untrue.

It could be an appeal to Mathblade to disrupt his good reads to push him to target Pooky.

This is another one of those useless posts.
1) Looking at politics << What does this even mean? I am looking at who pushes who and who scumreads who and who townreads who. That’s called hunting.
2) Titus + Mastina want me to engage in the flavor argument from Mastina as if it’s her own genuine idea and has merit. I already analyzed that and got Prism had to be town. Why would I bicker about the same facts and the same conclusion? It’s just spam.
3) More subtle shade on what I WANT to be true. If Titus is town then she has no knowledge about what is true or false. About my reads. My goal is and always will be the betterment of town even if I am miselimmed for it. I have said this numerous times. Titus is trying to paint a picture of me being bad/bad play because she doesn’t like she’s not in the town block.

[MathBlade]

I find them excellent posts and I am probably dead tomorrow anyway.

Like this for example
Yeah a lot of people SR you but you're acting like you are doomed when that is definitely not true

Dude, I have a claimed mason claiming I will be vigged and Lucretia’s comb is out.

Very likely I die.

If I don’t I am surprised.

[MathBlade]

By "bad" i meant illogical and surface level scummy

Still vapid. What is illogical? What is scummy?

[Titus]

@Cakez, Why the switch on the quiet read?

[MathBlade]

Titus, you promised some catch up. Would you please or a reads list with some detail?

[Titus]

Titus, you promised some catch up. Would you please or a reads list with some detail?

You're literally quoting parts of my catchup.

Can you at least look at Cakez?

[MathBlade]

I can do two things at once. I can’t tell what is catchup and what is reactionary.

Where have you left off and/or are you caught up?

[Titus]

I'm largely caught up. I'm mobile posting, so I can't do in depth walls but I want to try and work with you now that we're both on.

[MathBlade]

I'm largely caught up. I'm mobile posting, so I can't do in depth walls but I want to try and work with you now that we're both on.

Okay...How difficult would it be for you to get to a computer and post an actual detailed reads wall?

[Titus]

I'm largely caught up. I'm mobile posting, so I can't do in depth walls but I want to try and work with you now that we're both on.

Okay...How difficult would it be for you to get to a computer and post an actual detailed reads wall?

One hour minimum. I'm at the laundromat.

P.S.

Cakez is at two strikes. Never materializing meta on Prism.
Sudden, reasonless shift to defend quiet.

[MathBlade]

I'm largely caught up. I'm mobile posting, so I can't do in depth walls but I want to try and work with you now that we're both on.

Okay...How difficult would it be for you to get to a computer and post an actual detailed reads wall?

One hour minimum. I'm at the laundromat.

P.S.

Cakez is at two strikes. Never materializing meta on Prism.
Sudden, reasonless shift to defend quiet.

I will compromise and add Cakez to my PoE.

I still think you’re scum and this could be a bus. If you’re town then Cakez scum stock goes up.

[SirCakez]

I find them excellent posts and I am probably dead tomorrow anyway.

Like this for example
Yeah a lot of people SR you but you're acting like you are doomed when that is definitely not true

Dude, I have a claimed mason claiming I will be vigged and Lucretia’s comb is out.

Very likely I die.

If I don’t I am surprised.

Nobody knows what the comb does.
LLD spouts random stuff like vig demands all the time it doesn't mean anything.

By "bad" i meant illogical and surface level scummy

Still vapid. What is illogical? What is scummy?

For example, take this "i am doomed" posting you are doing. You are letting things get you panicked. Logically you are not doomed here.
If I didn't know you better I'd call it scum AtE, this surface level scummy.

@Cakez, Why the switch on the quiet read?

I already explained this. I saw quiet going into some yeetpools and reevaluated.

[kuribo]

Find it odd KTT stopped the ISOing of Titus before this post. Just a random stop.

It's not a random stop, are you illiterate?

I stopped at the halfway point y 8:55am after half a fucking hour of doing shit for a game while procrastinating on other shit I had to leave at 9am for


Like don't fucking shade me for no god damn reason, you'll get the rest when you get it. It takes fucking time.

She had 90 posts, I stopped at 45 when I had five minutes left before I had to leave


HALF OF 90 IS 45

"MATH" BLADE

you fuckers are never happy with anything, do the god damn deep dive yourself if it's that important to you you gotta whine about the stopping point


Jesus Christ

-k

[Kitty Trauma Team]

Find it odd KTT stopped the ISOing of Titus before this post. Just a random stop.

It's not a random stop, are you illiterate?

I stopped at the halfway point y 8:55am after half a fucking hour of doing shit for a game while procrastinating on other shit I had to leave at 9am for


Like don't fucking shade me for no god damn reason, you'll get the rest when you get it. It takes fucking time.

She had 90 posts, I stopped at 45 when I had five minutes left before I had to leave


HALF OF 90 IS 45

"MATH" BLADE

you fuckers are never happy with anything, do the god damn deep dive yourself if it's that important to you you gotta whine about the stopping point


Jesus Christ

-k

God dammit


and math if you're gonna nit pick at me then you can deal with your sister yourself I ain't for that shitty shade

[Titus]

I already explained this. I saw quiet going into some yeetpools and reevaluated.

Except you never said anything about quiet at all. You had quiet in your yeet pool for many of the same reasons that you're now objecting to. You don't mention which slots caused you to reevaluate.

It reeks more of trying to buy a scumpartner space on subbing in.

[SirCakez]

I already explained this. I saw quiet going into some yeetpools and reevaluated.

Except you never said anything about quiet at all. You had quiet in your yeet pool for many of the same reasons that you're now objecting to. You don't mention which slots caused you to reevaluate.

It reeks more of trying to buy a scumpartner space on subbing in.

I know one was Prism, i have to go back and look at who else was doing it but I'm on my phone so can't do rn.
I did have quiet in my yeet pool earlier, before they flaked. The flaking is key.

[MathBlade]

I find them excellent posts and I am probably dead tomorrow anyway.

Like this for example
Yeah a lot of people SR you but you're acting like you are doomed when that is definitely not true

Dude, I have a claimed mason claiming I will be vigged and Lucretia’s comb is out.

Very likely I die.

If I don’t I am surprised.

Nobody knows what the comb does.
LLD spouts random stuff like vig demands all the time it doesn't mean anything.

By "bad" i meant illogical and surface level scummy

Still vapid. What is illogical? What is scummy?

For example, take this "i am doomed" posting you are doing. You are letting things get you panicked. Logically you are not doomed here.
If I didn't know you better I'd call it scum AtE, this surface level scummy.

@Cakez, Why the switch on the quiet read?

I already explained this. I saw quiet going into some yeetpools and reevaluated.

Yes no one “knows” but educated guesses can be made:

1) Comb turns someone into a killer. (Flavor lore)
2) GreyICE claims to be mason and kill me.

Yes I don’t know for 100%, but I have to pretend like each post is my last as it’s most likely.
Assume I think GreyICE is mason. Then the above is likely true.
Assume I don’t think GreyICE is mason. Then I have to play like the above is true to provide mason cover.

There is no way when a mason says they will vig me is to do anything except assume it’s my last day.

Pedit: Please continue then. I was an ass.

[Bell]

@Dunstrall, Bork. Yeet targets?

I'm waiting on Nacho. TBH.
I am losing convinction on MB scum.

Town block RN is just Sangres, Spiffeh, LLD today. Which isn't good enough based on my experience in Tenet. If I want to win through PoE I need to solve faster tbh.

[MathBlade]

@Dunstrall, Bork. Yeet targets?

I'm waiting on Nacho. TBH.
I am losing convinction on MB scum.

Town block RN is just Sangres, Spiffeh, LLD today. Which isn't good enough based on my experience in Tenet. If I want to win through PoE I need to solve faster tbh.

Good start of a town block. I like it. Add Kitty too and Tammy. GreyICE has to be there for today because mason claim.