Newbie 2055: City Lights [game over!]

[Battle Mage]

(it's day 1 for me, apologies!)

[floo]

flow naturally plays like this, he hides his motives a lot and even bluffs his reads. It was pointed out in the thread by at least one of me/flow/fairy (forgot exactly).

Following your townreads is an interesting reason, do you still plan to "follow "them?

[Vasex]

HUB just got prodded, so presumably wasn't V/LA? Or it's a Mod error.

I still see no importance in that , just ignore it for a while

[Battle Mage]

We can hang players three times.
It looks like it will be in this range: KT, Floo, HUB/BM (if Jim is townie indeed).
Till the end of the day we need to decide who is possible mafia if KT mafia and Floo townie in this range: HUB/BM.
I hope that after listening to everybodt we can solve this puzzle even without PRs, but PRs should make it much easier.

Nice try, but no - you are not removed from the potential scum pool. nor is TRQ.

And we only have 2 elims unless we get 1 right.

[floo]

I'd be concerned more than satisfied with Kitty's sacrificial comment, in that a town!Kitty should recognize the difficulty of winning 5p ELO. Multiple players have already concluded that Kitty is a forced policy elim.

I agree KittyTacky's willingness to be elimmed today without much fight isn't pro-town. Although it's not a policy elim at all - we're just elimming the scummiest player.

I might have my terminology wrong. What I am trying to say is that it may be wise to eliminate Kitty today because of the complications of a 5P ELO with a near-universally scumread player who might be "limbait."

In other words, very scummy players should be eliminated before ELO.

[Vasex]

Following your townreads is an interesting reason, do you still plan to "follow "them?

Maybe. This is rather popular tactic in games I play to follow the opinion of your townies or to make your opinion together.
It worked for me on different sites where people know each other and I'm new there

[Battle Mage]

HUB just got prodded, so presumably wasn't V/LA? Or it's a Mod error.

I still see no importance in that , just ignore it for a while

The reality is, it's an inconsistent standard. You accuse Floo of being scum for not posting much, but Floo is here and posting when the heat is on. HUB was supremely active at the time HUB was forcing through an elim on a townie, and having done so, has barely been present at all. On the basis of those FACTS, I don't understand how you could ever think Floo looks scummier than HUB. I've made my point so there's nothing more to say I haven't already said.

[Vasex]

BM, if Floo mafia, you are the next.

[Battle Mage]

I'd be concerned more than satisfied with Kitty's sacrificial comment, in that a town!Kitty should recognize the difficulty of winning 5p ELO. Multiple players have already concluded that Kitty is a forced policy elim.

I agree KittyTacky's willingness to be elimmed today without much fight isn't pro-town. Although it's not a policy elim at all - we're just elimming the scummiest player.

I might have my terminology wrong. What I am trying to say is that it may be wise to eliminate Kitty today because of the complications of a 5P ELO with a near-universally scumread player who might be "limbait."

In other words, very scummy players should be eliminated before ELO.

yes i agree. although it's not rocket science - just elim the scummiest player each day and you should win. but I have made the point that HUB can turn around my read on HUB. Not sure Kitty would be able to do the same.

[Vasex]

BM, if Kitty is townie, Floo is mafia for you?

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

I didn't declare v/la to the mod by pm or set it in the status since I thought I'd still have time to check in, forgot it was 36 hour prods in newbie queue or I would have declared it. Anyway, I want to sit down and work out my reads which I might not have time for today, but I can describe a few key topics that have been brought up in a few hours.

[floo]

It really depends on the accuracy of your townreads + the skill of the other towns. I'm concerned about why this can't be pocketing or just easily blending in.

Your third vote on flow sealed the wagon in a sense, as in at that point it would be very difficult to vote floo with flow's defenders (me, fairy, Jim) unwilling to vote for each other's (different) scumreads.

[floo]

oops, I meant "to vote floo" = vote someone other than flow

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

*now* I hav declared v/la through tuesday, but I will still get some posts in today

[Battle Mage]

BM, if Floo mafia, you are the next.

I'll reiterate my previous point - from a gameplay perspective,

lining up elims like that is anti-town

(as is appearing to indicate you are tunnel-visioned and not willing to re-assess your reads). It gives scum all the info they need to choose who to kill to get the mis-elims required.

I.e. if Kitty was town, and you were right about it being Floo-FBJim, you die tonight and we are slightly more likely to lose. If you're wrong about Floo-FBJim, you don't die and you basically hand scum the win.

Also it makes it a bit pointless talking to you if you're really not thinking anymore.

All that aside, I completely get it reflects badly on me if Floo is scum and I defended Floo. But seriously - the case on Floo is worthless, so what are ya gonna do!

[Battle Mage]

BM, if Kitty is townie, Floo is mafia for you?

No. But as noted in my previous post, I'm keen we focus on today and not spend TOO much time feeding mafia info on where we might land tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

I didn't declare v/la to the mod by pm or set it in the status since I thought I'd still have time to check in, forgot it was 36 hour prods in newbie queue or I would have declared it. Anyway, I want to sit down and work out my reads which I might not have time for today, but I can describe a few key topics that have been brought up in a few hours.

I'm much more interested in your reads at this point, than a post mortem from yesterday.

[Battle Mage]

i'll catch up on the rest later i think

[Vasex]

Floo, do you need any answer from me on that? Or just showing to others that I can doing pocketing?

BM, I know the thing about influence of players' view on the night kills. I think it is rather early for such plans from the mafia. Their shots mostly seeking PRs.

[Vasex]

No. But as noted in my previous post, I'm keen we focus on today and not spend TOO much time feeding mafia info on where we might land tomorrow.

Why no?
And we can make fake promises for tomorrows if you are so worried about that.
By the way, it is rather weird, usually it is time to worry about that before the last night for example.

[Battle Mage]

Floo, do you need any answer from me on that? Or just showing to others that I can doing pocketing?

BM, I know the thing about influence of players' view on the night kills. I think it is rather early for such plans from the mafia. Their shots mostly seeking PRs.

too early for such plans? if we mess up today, it's ExLo tomorrow.

[floo]

I don't have more questions to ask Vasex.

I'm still doubting why a town!Vasex likes sheep mentality over his independent conclusions.

Another takeaway is Vasex's confidence in his townreads, which allow him to wagon someone he has no idea why he really should. As Battle Mage has pointed out, locktowning players from the early phases of D1 is very dangerous, bordering on anti-town.

[Vasex]

too early for such plans? if we mess up today, it's ExLo tomorrow.

I understand this.

[Battle Mage]

No. But as noted in my previous post, I'm keen we focus on today and not spend TOO much time feeding mafia info on where we might land tomorrow.

Why no?
And we can make fake promises for tomorrows if you are so worried about that.
By the way, it is rather weird, usually it is time to worry about that before the last night for example.

I don't really understand why it would be "yes" - are you kidding around or do you really think I believe there's a link between alignments of KittyTacky and Floo? I haven't so much as indicated that, so it's an odd question to ask me.

if i thought your promises could be fake (i don't), i'd have less of a problem with it from that perspective. and it's not weird at all - tonight could be the last night if we mis-elim today and tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

i almost do want a massclaim selfishly, just to understand who the PR(s) are, but it's a stupid idea.