Mini Theme 2198: Animals Upick 2 [Game Over]

[Superb Subtlety]

Are you telling me that you seriously haven't realised Whemestar either has or is pretending to have a post restriction? I am leaning the former

-jj

[Raya36]

No, I know that. I'm just saying nothing he has done is deserving of a lock town read

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

I personally would not lock a town read this early; Mastina appears to be gauging people upon their entrance to the game and going from there.

[PenguinPower]

Congratulations Penguin, a battle well fought.

tyty

[PenguinPower]

King is wondering if anyone else has no reads like the king.

King is wondering who people scumread

my townreads are scumreading Mastjna so I’m happy with this

[PenguinPower]

hmmm

UNVOTE:

[PenguinPower]

Someone still needs to tell me what is meant by "flip" and why it's in the vc.

[Mad Hatters Tea Party]

I simply assumed it was the variation of elimination and role reveal used by our moderator.

[WhemeStar]

Someone still needs to tell me what is meant by "flip" and why it's in the vc.

Maybe mod can clarify that?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

KOALAWANG

A ROUND OF KOALAWANG HAS ENDED

The winner of this round of koalawang is PenguinPower!

The D1 prize is for us to leash their vote at the time contest ended, so long as it isn’t a hammer.

you chose to trigger a competition which would require you to give up your vote to the 'winner'?

I don't think that's the real prize

We are not informed about the prize until AFTER Kolawang has ended and it is the real prize. I would think that anyone who played in Animals uPick 1 wouldn’t question that but you probably either forgot my role in that or didn’t follow that game very closely after your NK.

The only thing we have any say in is who wins Koalawang but beyond that it’s 100% up to Krazy.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

VOTE: Rathe is an option I do believe will gain value moving forward.

???

We are quite some way into the game, and your contributions have been nil.

i dont post gifs

Then you signed up for the wrong game.

[PenguinPower]

I simply assumed it was the variation of elimination and role reveal used by our moderator.

hmm...seems too obvious

++ic points for you though.

[PenguinPower]

Someone still needs to tell me what is meant by "flip" and why it's in the vc.

Maybe mod can clarify that?

I would thought the king would be able to clarify anything.

[PenguinPower]

who are your tr's btw?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

King thought mastina was known to type in wall posts did they change or do I remember wrong

I do both. Shorter posts when it's more appropriate, longer posts when it's more appropriate.

Also in this game the extended rvs gives me less content to work with--it's not really my thing, it's not really my style, it's something that I can look at as an observer, smile, and appreciate it, enjoying it as a viewer, and get some good townreads from it, but I don't really know what to do with it as a starting point for content.

To give a metaphor for this. When I am at a family gathering that has dance, beit slowdance or more modern dance: I will be there, but I'll be sitting down, watching the dancers. I will smile, appreciate them from my seat, enjoy their dancing as an observer, and generally be around, and enjoying it, but not being a part of it. If I was asked to be a part of the dance, I wouldn't know where to begin, I'd be hesitant, I'd be out of my depths, I'd be uncomfortable, as a participant I'd be miserable, awkward, and not having a good time, in spite of being involved in the activity.

Which is to say the activity is more fun for me to watch than it is for me to participate in. There's plenty of games that work that way, too. I'll watch streamers play games that I myself would never play. (A prominent one: Dead by Daylight. I would never play killer because I don't really like first-person gameplay. I would never play survivor because playing survivor requires precision timing gameplay where you press the right buttons at precisely the right time and the right time is not something you know in advance. Yet in spite of me never wanting to play that game, it is one of my favorite games to watch and I've watched literally hundreds of hours of gameplay on it because I enjoy it as a viewer.)

Same basic principle here. The koala game is fun, and is good for me to watch, and I am getting townreads from the players playing it.
But I just...don't know what to do with it. I can state the townreads I suppose, and I can reiterate that gives the game a small POE for who the scum are likely to be.

Smoke and Mirrors (Nancy Drew 39 + Pooky)
Battle Mage
Superb Subtlety (alisae + jjh)

Mad Hatters Tea Party
WhemeStar
Raya36

Rathe
TheFuzzylogic99
PenguinPower

Korina
Noraabear

April Ludgate

...But I already did so and it's a bit hard to explain further beyond that.

Smoke and Mirrors radiate town in a way I've never seen before. They're truly a fire worthy of me, and I am naturally attracted to them as a strong townread here.

Battle Mage did not participate in koalawang, but his handling of the game has looked town. In hindsight, I may have placed him slightly too high, but I still think he's north of null this game.

Superb Subtly is very obviously town this game.

Mad Hatter Tea Party looks pretty damn town but I admit to unfamiliarity there and inability to tell how strongly so.
WhemeStar has looked incredibly town--tho I lack familiarity, the more and more WhemeStar posts the more I see town. In fact it's probably best to say that WhemeStar and Battle Mage's positions should be reversed: Whemestar as locktown with Battle Mage north of null but not in the same locktown tier as WhemeStar and Smoke/Mirrors and Superb Subtlety.
Raya and PenguinPower's participation in Koalawang is the perfect example of townreads generated from the event (PP was too low in the last readslist imo).

Rathe's literally naked voting with nothing more, so no koala play there and fully null.
TFL has been pretty null, fairly lackluster, but is still overall okay in not being south of null imo.

Then we get into the scumreads who're lackluster in a bad way and by no coincidence, none of them participated in koalawang.

So updated readslist:

Smoke and Mirrors (Nancy Drew 39 + Pooky)
Superb Subtlety (alisae + jjh)
WhemeStar

Mad Hatters Tea Party
Raya36
PenguinPower
Battle Mage

TheFuzzylogic99
Rathe

Korina
Noraabear

April Ludgate

Loosely, locktown, strong town, null, scumread, strong scumread.

Can you explain your srs on Korina, Noraabear and April? Thanks.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

The apathy of the town is beginning to worry me a bit. Both April and Korina said they are both apathetic toward this game.

As a hint: it'll help you when you realize that neither of them is actually town.

While I've nothing but gut for why Korina is scum here, April being scum here as apathetic is actually something I DO have reason for:

While FL is a player who can get apathetic as either alignment, statistically speaking, he is apathetic more often as scum (due to burnout from previous scumgames) more than as town.

It's not a surefire lock-scumtell, but it's better than random in accuracy. I'd say in the 60-75% range. Which is to say, in 25-40% of his games where he is apathetic FL will be apathetic-town but in the majority of them, the 60-75%, he is scum.

Interesting. My only experience with scum!FL was when he tried to control the game. I don’t think I’ve ever seen apathetic FL in any game I’ve ever played with him.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I’m liking Penguin and Raya so far. I think scum has more reason to fear Koalawang than town.

[Battle Mage]

i am here, I will re-read tomorrow and post something of limited but not nil value.

[Noraabear]

Stealth alts have no right to use meta on me because I have no way to see if your misusing my meta on purpose as scum or if you are talking about a specific game where I believe my town game was not portrayed accurately, etc etc.

You dont get to talk meta if you've concealed your identity.

My identity is concealed for good reasons, I can assure you. You are one of the people I would have no qualms releasing my true identity to. I have no intent to use the meta knowledge I hold against you, as I am aware you are quite busy at the moment - and have witnessed such knowledge backfire upon multiple occasions to the detriment of yourself and your companions.

It has always been my belief that alternate accounts are primarily for the obfuscation of the primary to avoid such uses of meta. It is a slightly underhanded tactic, but no less so than engaging in a hydra, in my opinion.

You have worded the part around my meta so poorly that I think you are scum if you are someone that knows me well which seems to be what you are hinting at.

[Noraabear]

eek Nancy is scum here. town Nancy locktowns me like ten pages ago.

[Noraabear]

Nancy + Mastina + Penguinpower is a scum team that fits too well tho so I need to think on that later.

[Noraabear]

I believe there are 3 people Mad hatters party can be.
if they are my soul mason, my read on them is null.
if they are my friends girlfriend, my read on them is town.
but if they are the last one, they are scum.

you don't have to confirm or deny any of those. I'm just speculating for now.

[Raya36]

I personally would not lock a town read this early; Mastina appears to be gauging people upon their entrance to the game and going from there.

I'm wondering why mastina townreads him though

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Nora
I am a bit skeptical about your reads.

Can you explain why you think Nancy Drew is scum for not town reading you? This doesn't make any sense and I am trying to understand your logic here (assuming your read is not a joke read)
How sure are you on TMHTP? What if they are none of the above. Can you explain more without revealing the alts identity.

[Korina]

I'm going to just hardclaim then: I'm a coroner. What purpose is there for a scum coroner?

When there's a town vig that janitors, to name just one example.

Suffice to say this is a fine instance tho of role != alignment. I do not think that in a Krazy game a claim of coroner is a town-only role.

If your plan was to coast by on claim alone, it aint gonna work. I'll want to see content from you and so far it is lacking in townness.

I know you've never played with me, nor any of my alts, so I'm going to say this:
Even as scum, I don't like coasting by on claim alone. I think winning from that alone is a cheap, and lame victory. I'd rather have a win that I actually worked towards, or a loss that I feel was a fair and just loss.

I have also said now multiple times that I will play once koalawang is over, and now that it's over, I'm playing. Not to mention, I'm V/LA on weekends. This is in my signature, so there's literally no excuse for not realizing this. If you're expecting me to put actual effort into a game when I'm not around, and really only checking the forums at inconsistent times, you're sorely mistaken.

Your gut read on me is entirely wrong as well. Sorry to say it.